Feb. 20, 2024

Crossing Currents Of Cancellations – Defending Free Speech In Publishing – with Claton Butcher – [Ep. 204]

Crossing Currents Of Cancellations – Defending Free Speech In Publishing – with Claton Butcher – [Ep. 204]

Have you ever been censored? Even if you may not have experienced personal censorship, it is likely you know of someone who has been silenced on social media or possibly may have had their entire profile removed with no warning. You may know of others...

Have you ever been censored? Even if you may not have experienced personal censorship, it is likely you know of someone who has been silenced on social media or possibly may have had their entire profile removed with no warning. You may know of others who have had movies, books, or songs censored. This has rarely happened to creators of extremely violent or sexually graphic content, but it has happened often to those posting Christian or conservative content. How does this affect the livelihoods of creators, and what may be the long-term consequences on society of silencing such voices? Linda discusses this important topic with Claton Butcher, a victim of censorship and the Founder of Cross Current Digital, a platform created to provide positive and truthful content. Listen to learn what censorship can mean to you, your business, or your community, and discover positive action steps you can take to protect freedom of speech.

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Transcript

Linda J. Hansen:  Welcome. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of the Prosperity 101® Breakroom Economics Podcast. My name is Linda J. Hansen, your host and the author of Prosperity 101®- Job Security Through Business Prosperity: The Essential Guide to Understanding How Policy Affects Your Paycheck, and the creator of the Breakroom Economics Online course, the book, the course and the entire podcast library can be found on Prosperity101.Com. I seek to connect boardroom to break room and policy to paycheck by empowering and encouraging employers to educate employees about the public policy issues that affect their jobs. My goal is to help people understand the foundations of prosperity, the policies of prosperity, and how to protect their prosperity by becoming informed, involved, and impactful. I believe this will lead to greater employee loyalty, engagement and retention, and to an increased awareness of the blessings and responsibilities of living in a free society. Listen each week to hear from exciting guests and be sure to visit Prosperity 101.com.

Thank you so much for joining with me today. I've often spoken about cancel culture and what happens when people's voices are silenced in our society. My guest today is going to talk about those issues and so much more, and we're going to help you understand how it matters to you and what you can do about it. We all need to do our best to protect our freedom of speech. It's an important right given to us by God and in the constitution. So to have a free America, we need to protect our freedoms. My guest today is Clayton Butcher, founder and president of Crosscurrent Digital. A former worship leader and music pastor and audiobook narrator, Clayton is also the founder of multiple successful audiobook publishing companies. His companies have published or produced audiobooks for the likes of John Stone street from the Colson Center, Jeanette Oak, Wen Gauls, the Heart, the Babylon B, Joel C. Rosenberg, Senator Josh Hawley, Jonathan Kahn, etc. And he has worked with nearly every major christian publishing company and many conservative publishers. Jonathan is an expert on cancel culture, and one of the things we will be discussing is what will happen when Amazon decides to remove all titles from all publishers that take a biblical stand on divisive cultural values. Well, Clayton is trying to do something about it, and we thank you so much for joining with us today Clayton.

Claton Butcher:

Very glad to be here. Thank you.

Linda J. Hansen:

Well, what led you to start crosscurrent digital?

Claton Butcher:

It's kind of a long story with more of a backstory than you might think. So I'm not sure how far you want me to go back. So basically started that was an audiobook narrator after being or while being a worship leader and God told me to start a publishing company, which I thought was very strange. I had no idea how to do was what came from. That is two words publishing, which is our main Christian audiobook publishing company. And then we have a couple others, Black Hills audiobooks for anything that's not obviously Christian, and another one as well. But we heard about a book maybe, I don't know what it was six, seven years ago now that was called when Harry became Sally by Ryan T. Anderson. And I thought, okay, I feel like I'm supposed to be involved in this book, so there must be a reason. And so we got the audio rights for the book and published the audiobook with no issues for a few years. And then early 2021, actually just over a week from now, it will be three years to the day when Amazon censored that book. So we had no idea why. It just disappeared overnight with no warning, with no notice to either the print publisher, the author, us, the audio publisher, just totally disappeared as if it never existed. Come to find out later, it happened to be coincidentally, of course, just a few days before the so called Equality act was put to the house floor. So they made the most comprehensive and compassionate critique of the destructive Trans agenda disappear.

And so that was the beginning of cross concurrent. And there were a couple of other things in there too, that were all within about a week, we heard about a smear campaign against us in the audiobook world, against narrators that had worked for us, trying to get them blacklisted because we had published that book. And threats against us and myself, my family, and also our other main ministry that we were involved in also caved over this same issue so that they did not lose federal funding. And so we had to pull out of that. So our lives were completely up in the air, not knowing what was going to happen. You mentioned Senator Josh Hawley's book, which was tyranny of Big Tech. We were releasing that about the time that our book was censored. And we had also just released dictatorship of woke Capital. So rather ironic that two books that talk about, hey, this could happen, happened. We had just released those and then they censor a book of ours from the same audiobook publisher. And so shortly thereafter, God very clearly said, okay, now build this. Build a Christian conservative digital book sales platform that is as cancel proof as possible. So that when this happens, when Amazon decides to do this to other publishers that hold to biblical values, whether they espouse the biblical values or just traditional values which are based on biblical values, that this will be in place so that digital books cannot be completely removed from the marketplace. And so that was basically the gist or the impetus for cross current digital.

Linda J. Hansen:

It's amazing how often God uses a negative to turn it into a positive. And I have interviewed other people that have been canceled. One of the people, you may know him, James Stockey, from your American flag store. Anyway, I think you would like him. But he and his wife, he was a carpenter, she was an artist. And one day, their six year old son decided that they could have a great business if dad would just make flags and his mom could paint them. And so they did a flag to kind of appease their son, and they posted it on Facebook. Look at our son's idea. We just did this. And pretty soon, people wanted to order. And long story short, it became a full time business for them. They left their other jobs, it became a full time business, and they were in business for six years, and everything was going well. They were doing customized flags, hand painted, big wood, whatever size people wanted. Sometimes in the bottom right corner, there would be a picture of maybe a military crest, or there'd be a picture of a fallen officer or a company logo or something in the bottom right corner. And so these were all customized.

Everything was going wonderfully until a customer ordered a flag with a picture of Donald Trump in the bottom right corner. And they painted this picture of Donald Trump into this flag, sent it to the customer. The customer was thrilled. And pretty soon, their sales just tanked. They had no idea what happened. It was like everything got shut off. Well, it turns out Facebook saw this customer's post. They turned off all advertising and posting from your American flag store. And so it took a while to figure this out. So people couldn't even see them online. Right. Then, as he was getting this taken care of, and their sales were increased to a huge amount. Like, they finally had all this money in the bank. He was excited he could order a truckload of lumber to be delivered instead of picking it up himself, right, because people saw that he was being censored, so they ordered extra flags. And then the lumber yard called and said, I'm sorry, we can't deliver this. Your card didn't work. He said, what do you mean my card didn't work? That's my debit card. I have more money than I've ever. What happened? Turns out PayPal was holding $100,000 of their money, saying they needed to deliver all those orders before PayPal would deem them respectable business, a viable business. Well, how could they deliver the orders when they were holding up all the money for the materials? In the meantime, Shopify was literally taking things off their website.

Claton Butcher:

Wow.

Linda J. Hansen:

Anything that was patriotic or anything related to Trump, of course, was off. But even a lot of the military flags were being taken off. I mean, just in real time, they watched him come off. So it was such a huge example of this censorship. And that's not just him. It's not just him. It's not just you. It's so many people that have been censored. And I don't think the average person out there understands that this is going on. People who aren't in our space where we're trying to get conservative or conservative Christian information out, or in James case, even a product that was patriotic is being censored. And so what does this mean to the average person?

Claton Butcher:

Well, you're right. I think that far too many people are still unaware that these things are going on. Now. That one was new to me. I had not heard of that. I have heard of things being pulled from Shopify and businesses not being approved on PayPal and things like that, but go a little bit off here. But something like the central digital bank currency is, I think, something that is possibly on the way that could literally lock up funds for Christians and conservatives everywhere. And so there are threats on the horizon that are real, that are serious concerns that people just don't. The average person, like you said, has no idea that this censorship has happened, whether it's in the book space or anywhere else. And there's banks that are shutting off credit card processing companies and a number of different things. We had to insulate every single step from the URLs all the way through to the payments processing. And so that's still an issue that we are very aware of and trying to make sure that we're on top of. And I think every business owner needs to look at that. You mentioned payment processing, and there are a number of good payment processors that we have discovered that were not in place.

Well, some of the things were not in place when we started this almost three years ago, but now are. And so it's great to see that there are a number of new possibilities for payment processing and email providers and a number of these different things that have been started in the last few years, because more people, I think God is waking up a lot more people to these issues. But it needs to be all of us that are waking up to these issues, because if people, the average person is continuing to purchase through companies like Amazon that censored us, and I can talk about other publisher that was completely removed from Amazon because of their biblical stance on a few of their books, which we think was just a test run to see what would happen. But we have a vote not only in the ballot box, but also with our dollars. And there is a burgeoning, really growing Christian conservative parallel economy that we are proud to be a part of and using a lot of these different services with our own businesses. But other business owners need to know that as well. And so I'm glad that you are realizing that and not just business owners, too. But if we purchase products from companies that are against our biblical values, conservative values, traditional values, we are furthering the agendas that we disagree with and that not just us disagree with, but that God says are sin. And we need to make sure that wherever we can, that we are using our dollars and investing in, whether it's investing or just investing with purchases in companies that will hold to these biblical values.

Linda J. Hansen:

Well, it's so true. And this freedom economy that you spoke of is really growing so rapidly. And I know red balloon, which I've had them on the podcast, too. So, listeners, please.

Claton Butcher:

Andrew.

Linda J. Hansen:

Yeah, go to my website, look up Andrew Crapuchettes or just red balloon, and you'll be able to listen to three episodes I've done with him. But I also interviewed the vice president of public Square and Christina Werner and I interviewed her the day after they went public. And red Balloon and public Square now have their freedom economy index. And it's just exciting to see more and more companies participating in this survey that they do. And we can see the growing freedom economy. And it's so important that I think freedom is something we have taken so for granted in America. And many people can't even believe this is happening. I mean, even today, I'll try to tell people, know we're being censored or I have friends who've had their door beaten down by the FBI, even though know, just grandmas like me know these things that happen and people don't believe it because it's not part of what America has been all about. But it's here, it's real, it's happening, and we all have to wake up. So, listeners, even if you're not a Christian, even if you've never thought of yourself as conservative, because this really isn't a conservative issue, this is a freedom issue. So whoever you are listening, whether you're a Christian or not, or whether you're a conservative or not, this is going to come for you. Because one of the things that happens with Marxism, communism, the tyrannical governments that we've seen all across history, and we are seeing rise in our nation now, is that they come after one group first, then the next, then the next, then the next. And pretty soon, they'll be after you.

Claton Butcher:

There will be nobody left to support you and to protect you.

Linda J. Hansen:

Like that famous essay from World War II, that first they came for the jew. Yes, because I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a jew then when they came for me, there was no one left to speak up. So we have to speak up now. Our children, our grandchildren, future generations are depending on us. People gave their life for this freedom. They sacrificed the ultimate sacrifice for this freedom for us and for people to have freedom worldwide. And so we look, America is the last, best hope of freedom. If we lose it here, it's gone. It's gone because there is no other nation that can do what America can do. I believe that God has blessed America because we were a covenant nation from the beginning, and there was a blessing on this nation. And we chose to honor him in our founding documents. We chose to honor him in the values that our founding documents brought forth and the structure of government. And it has proven itself well for all these years. It's not without warts and difficulties, because you're dealing with people, and people often do not good things, but it has really been a safeguard. Our constitution has been a safeguard. And the biblical values that the nation was founded on doesn't mean everybody has to be a Christian. That's not what we're saying. I mean, we'd love to see that, because there's such freedom in Christ, in knowing Christ, but this isn't what that's about. This is about providing freedom. That God wants every person to be able to reach their fullest potential and have the freedom to become who he created them to be. So that's what America has been about. And we have the ability to create capital, to build wealth, to share and give generously, to been able to build capital, to be philanthropic, and we have shared with other nations. But now we really have to use our freedom now to stand up against the tyranny that is marching forward, to take away every freedom that we have.

Claton Butcher:

Absolutely right.

Linda J. Hansen:

Yeah. And with cross current digital. So how can people work with you? So say someone's listening and they have a book, or they've listened to a book, or read a book that they'd love to see get more into the christian community. How would they contact you?

Claton Butcher:

Sure. So we have to go through legal things and make sure that they have the rights to the book if the author, because often the publisher will hold that. But we are very open to working with individual authors, whether it's self-published or published with a traditional publisher. A traditional meaning, normal publishing before self-publishing came along. Basically, as long as it does not go against biblical values, it can have a home on cross current. So we have over 5000 books there at the moment, podcasts as well. Your podcast is on cross current. I don't know if I mentioned that. So it is there as well. And even podcasts are being censored too. But obviously we are not going to do that. But we are making sure that we're curating the content so that users can know that we won't have anything that goes against biblical values on the platform.

Linda J. Hansen:

Well, that's exciting because there's so many people out there now who have books or podcasts or things that they're trying to get out, trying to gain a wider audience and helping to educate people. For me, what I try to do is just educate anyone listening, of course, about how all of these issues affect them on a day to day basis. But my heart is really to help employers educate employees about these issues. Because when we have a loss of freedom, whether it's freedom of speech or any of these other freedoms granted to us by God and in our constitution, then it makes it harder for businesses to prosper, which makes it harder for people to prosper, and we lose that ability for human flourishing and freedom that we have been blessed with in America. And so as you think about what this censorship means to employers, I just shared what had happened to James Stockey and your American flagstore.

You shared what happened to you. This could happen to know a plumbing supply store, this could happen to an electrician, this could happen to a mean. And it has. There's so many things that are happening to people all over. I don't think people realize. I mentioned dairy. There's an attack on farmers now. I mean, anybody, especially anybody who does any type of organic farming direct to consumer farming. This has been something that the government has been really cracking down on a lot. And people who have been farming or ranching for decades in their family are being put out of business. So it's another type of censorship. It's economic censorship. And so we can have censorship of speech, but we can have censorship of economics as well. And you mentioned the central bank, digital currency. So for everybody listening, I've also interviewed Reggie Littlejohn. You're going to want to listen to that episode. Reggie Littlejohn. We talked a lot about sovereignty of the US and the global desire to have this global government where they control everything we do through this central bank, digital currency. And we're all supposed to have vaccine, passports, and they'll decide our social credit score and all of this, and they'll decide if we can buy or sell or travel or anything. And I think Americans don't realize that this is right around the corner. And if they did, I think there'd be more of us up in arms about it.

Claton Butcher:

Yeah. Being able to lock down, force you to spend one thing, keeping you from spending, prohibiting travel. I mean, there's so much that could happen with just. It's really terrifying if you look into it, which I think we all should.

Linda J. Hansen:

Yes. Well, there's that. There's the World Health Organization, World Economic Forum, the trans humanist movement, and then we just have our own government, which is so bought and paid for in so many ways by all these big globalist elites. Listeners, when you see a patriotic person who has been true to the values that made this nation great, maybe they have gone and fought patriotically for our country, or you've watched them locally in your community, and now they want to run for office, please support them. We need principled leaders in government, and we need principled leaders in business. We need principled leaders in business who realize money is not the ultimate, that what shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul? And that's from the book of John. And we realize that there's these temporal things that we're dealing with. And money is great. It's a great tool, but it's a horrible master. And those who want to censor us want to just choke off any freedom that we have economically or through our speech, through our movement, anything. So, with crosscurrent, tell us some of the things that you did when you were censored, when you published the book, when Harry became Sally, you published this book, and obviously it addressed the transgender issue from a biblical perspective and compassionate perspective. It was an excellent book. And so you published this. What are the steps that you took to help regain the freedom?

Claton Butcher:

Yeah. So that was, again, with one of our other companies, Black Hills audiobooks. But basically, cross current is what we did, what God called us to do. But like I mentioned before, well, we had just seen what had happened to Parler just a few weeks earlier. And so from that, it was like, oh, okay. So that was kind of a wake up call that helped us realize that even the websites that we own may not be safe if they decide to pull it. The URL, I forget the technical term. It's interesting that God called me to start a tech company. Yeah, no tech experience whatsoever, no coding experience, all that. But he needed somebody that would be faithful.

Linda J. Hansen:

God doesn't call the equipped, or he doesn't always call the equipped, he equips the called.

Claton Butcher:

Right. So I cling to that on a daily basis. We made sure that the companies that were getting our URLs all the way through the payment systems. So we did deep dive in research different companies for every single thing that I didn't even know existed that we had to do to insulate ourselves from censorship. And so thankfully, we found conservative Christian payment processing companies, conservative email providers, a number of those different things, because things like Mailchimp, sensors, email office is doing that. It has happened to someone in every industry. And so it's really crucial that Christian companies, that Christian conservative companies, patriotic companies, look for alternatives to who they are using for all these different business services. And in some cases I still don't know of things that are good alternatives. And so it's something that we have to continue to keep in mind as we go forward. As new services come as this conservative, the parallel economy really gets fleshed out and more and more companies are added, more and more industries are added. We're trying to keep a close eye on all of those things so that we're not caught unaware.

Linda J. Hansen:

That's very good. Being caught unaware is what has happened to so many book. Do you have any books that are still on Amazon?

Claton Butcher:

Yes, actually most of our books are still on Amazon.

Linda J. Hansen:

That book returned to that?

Claton Butcher:

No, we just discovered yesterday or day before that I saw the author had mentioned this, that one copy got on because it was misspelled. So it got past the censorship from one company. But when that happened, it was every single company that held the book or that sold the book, the print, new, used, everything. It didn't just happen to us. We were the only ones that owned the audiobooks rights. But it was totally removed. And so it is still not there today. What happens in the publishing world when Amazon, which is at least 60, the lowest number I've seen, is like 63% of all book sales in the US and likely globally, go through Amazon. So even if you're buying a Christian book through Amazon, Christian publishers, conservative publishers still are getting at least 60% of their revenue from Amazon, from sales on Amazon. And so it's so pervasive that publishers, when a book like this is censored. And a few months ago we discovered it was not just our book, but it was a number of other books that were pulled as well. At the same time, ours was just the only one that caught the attention of, because I think it may have been the only traditionally published book that was censored that we know of at the time. But it happened to a lot of individual authors as well, self-published authors. But when that happens, publishers don't want to touch it, agents don't want to touch it. So authors are self-censoring and not writing on it because they can't get the book sold. And if they can't trust Amazon to sell it, self-publishing is much higher than 60%. It's probably in the 80% to 90% range, I would assume. I don't know for sure, but if a self-published book isn't on Amazon, it doesn't exist. And distributors, audio distributors, print distributors, Ebook distributors, if they're not going to carry something, then it doesn't exist. And so that is where the censorship happens. So technically, yes, Amazon can decide what they sell, but the issue is where they own the market and that becomes a monopoly issue. And again, it has ripple effects all the way through publishing. And then, as you mentioned earlier, what happens when Amazon decides to pull books or publishers that publish books that hold to biblical values and traditional values? Basically, Christian conservative publishing goes away overnight. There's one platform that will sell the books and then the publishers themselves can sell books on their site, but the reach is so drastically diminished that it really affects everything.

Linda J. Hansen:

Well, and it isn't even just Christian conservative, it's anything that goes against the narrative. I'm sure there are some listeners, before we wrap up here, I'm sure there's some listeners who are saying, well, why would they do that? That's just ridiculous. They're not going to do that. That's crazy. There's no reason for that or something they just don't understand. It just doesn't fit the narrative. And the thing about the Marxist communist globalist agenda that is invading, has invaded this nation and around the world is they have to divide, they have to divide people by races. Most people in America are not racist. Yet the media and the elites have convinced so many people that America is just a racist nation. And we have done more, and especially conservatives, Republicans. If you look at the history of the Republican Party versus the history of the Democrat party in terms of the rights that they've given to blacks or to women, I mean, there's no comparison. The Republicans have been consistently for freedom all the way along. But people don't look at history. And now they're trying to destroy history. And so they're destroying the history, which is one of the objects, it's one of the ways that they try to take over a culture, destroying the history, but then also dividing people into groups instead of celebrating the individuals and also controlling population growth, which obviously the trans agenda is doing that on a rapid scale. But dividing families, dividing families, pitting children against parents. So whether it is through social media or whether it's through this trans agenda, they're taking away parents’ rights.

They're saying, if you don't support your eight year old becoming Trans, we can take away your kids. This is happening across the nation, not in every state, but across the nation. So for those of you who might not be aware of all of this happening, this is part of a much larger agenda. What he experienced with this one book or other things that he has published or what we've been explaining is just one example. And these things are happening every single know. And I think of, like, I still will buy books off Amazon. And some of the reasons I do, I try to divide up my purchases. And I'll tell you why. Because, like, okay, I mentioned how not all books that are Christian or conservative get censored. Okay? For those who may know, Dr. Naomi Wolf, she was a feminist Democrat, liberal woman who worked in the Clinton administration and has been a Democrat strategist most of her life. And she started to understand what was really happening with the COVID vaccines and the horrible, horrible intentions of the vaccines, but also the lies and just what was being hidden from people. So her organization and listeners, you can go to this, go to Dailycloud.IO, Dailycloud.IO, and you can get a copy of this book. But she also had it up on Amazon. And it's basically the Pfizer documents. Remember when Pfizer was supposed to release all their trial documents, 75,000 pages of documents regarding the vaccine trials, and they said, well, we'll release it in 75 years. I remember thinking, talk to me in 75 years and I'll let you know if I want that. So she gathered teams of people together to go through everything. And so they have now published the Pfizer report. And they are doing this with Moderna and others. And I know Amazon wouldn't let this be on there. I mean, they have taken it off at several been. Her content has been taken off the Internet sometimes. So this isn't just Christian conservative. This is just anytime there's truth out, anytime there's something that's truth, that goes against the narrative of what the globalist elites want to do for America and to take away our rights and freedoms, anytime that narrative is challenged, we risk being censored. As I mentioned, sometimes I still do buy books off Amazon because of wanting to get that conservative book or that book of truth up to a high number, right? And so we know that most people who buy books are on Amazon and why I don't want to give money to Amazon, but I also want to be able to get a message out to the masses, right? Who go to Amazon. And when something can reach a certain, they can get to be a number one book on Amazon, it gets attention somewhat. And then Amazon, who's driven by money and power, may say, well, we don't really like that book, but we're making a lot of money on that book so we can let it be on there for a while.

So there's this kind of mixed bag of how we do this. But I really encourage listeners, support the freedom economy, support these businesses that have risen in opposition. And as we transition into an economy that is based on freedom and not control and censorship, we can really help people like Clayton and others who have fought the good fight and have really decided to answer the call, to speak up and go against what most people would say is a big challenge. And so we just thank you for that. Thank you for your bravery, for your courage, for your faith, and for your desire to really help other people preserve their freedoms and to become aware of the fact that their freedoms are being lost. So as we close this interview, can you give one positive action item to the listeners so they feel that they are positively acting on behalf of freedom for themselves and others?

Claton Butcher:

Sure. So if you're looking for books or podcasts, please come to crosscurrent. It's a web app, so you access it through your browser. It's not in the App Stores because we were concerned about being censored and pulled from the App Stores, and we can control the website. So gocrosscurrent.com is the easiest way to remember it. So gocrosscurrent.com, so that's if you're looking for, again, audiobooks, ebooks, podcasts. But then look at things like Public Square, look at things like Liberation tech for email. And that's a big one for business owners, too. Payment processors. Just trying to think of one that I met last week and was super impressed by.

Linda J. Hansen:

I know there's revere payments, revere yep.

Claton Butcher:

We use Revere. We use cornerstone. And another one, pro-life.

Linda J. Hansen:

Pro Life bank. Pro Life bank isn't up yet, but.

Claton Butcher:

Yes, I know. Yeah. Nick and Betsy. Yes, I do too. So excited. I get to see Nick again next week at NRB. But pro life payments is what that one. Another one that donates 15% of proceeds, not just profits, to pro life organizations. So met that founder. Super impressed. Definitely want to mention that. But there are so many different things that every different industry now or many different industries have. So whether you're a consumer, whether you're a business owner, seek out those companies that are America first and or so that you can support this parallel economy. Parallel. That's the word I'm looking for. Alternative was what I was thinking of. And fight back against the globalist agenda. And so those are a few different things that you can do. Just again, whether you're a consumer, business owner, employee. But it's important to make sure that we vote with not only our ballots, which we must do, whether or not we think that our votes are being stolen, we still need to vote. But we also need to vote with our dollars.

Linda J. Hansen:

Exactly. Well, thank you so much and listeners, please go to gocrosscurrent.com and I'm sure you can look at the content there, but I'm sure from there they can also contact you if they'd like to.

Claton Butcher:

Yes, there is a contact us. So just find that on the website and you can also email info@crosscurrentdigital.com.

Linda J. Hansen:

Well, thank you so much for joining with this podcast. I look forward to hopefully having you on again soon and we can follow the progress and see how we're doing in building this parallel economy. So thank you, Clayton.

Claton Butcher:

You bet. Thanks for having me.

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