Oct. 29, 2020

What’s the Answer? Freedom! – with Hugh Hewitt [Ep. 42]

What’s the Answer? Freedom! – with Hugh Hewitt [Ep. 42]
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Freedom! How do we protect it?  In this episode, well-known broadcast journalist, author, and syndicated radio show host, Hugh Hewitt, discusses with Linda the importance of the Electoral College, the role of the United States Senate, and other constitutional safeguards to our liberty.  As a respected lawyer and Constitutional Law professor, he brings to life the founder’s intent as they set forth to create a plan for government that would allow our nation and individual citizens to prosper.  This conversation is relevant as we face a pivotal election, but the policies presented are timeless and worthy of preserving for future generations. 

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Linda J. Hansen: Welcome. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of the Prosperity 101 Breakroom Economics Podcast. My name is Linda J. Hansen. Your host and the author ofProsperity 101 - Job Security Through Business Prosperity: The Essential Guide to Understanding How Policy Affects Your Paycheck, and the creator of the Breakroom Economics online course. The book, the course, and the entire podcast library can be found on Prosperity101.com. I seek to connect boardroom to breakroom and policy to paycheck by empowering and encouraging employers to educate employees about the public policy issues that affect their jobs.


My goal is to help people understand the foundations of prosperity, the policies of prosperity, and how to protect their prosperity by becoming informed, involved, and impactful. I believe this will lead to greater employee loyalty, engagement, and retention and to an increased awareness of the blessings and responsibilities of living in a free society. Listen each week to hear from exciting guests and be sure to visit Prosperity101.com.


Thank you so much for joining us for this very, very special episode. Today, I have a very special guest, Hugh Hewitt. Hugh Hewitt is the host of The Hugh Hewitt Show. He is also an NBC, MSNBC political analyst. Hugh is a lawyer, professor, and broadcast journalist whose nationally syndicated radio show is heard in more than 120 cities across the United States every weekday morning. He is also an analyst for NBC News and MSNBC, a columnist for the Washington Post, the author of more than a dozen books, and the President and CEO of the Richard Nixon Foundation. Hugh Hewitt is a graduate of Harvard College and the University of Michigan Law School, and has taught Constitutional Law at Chapman University Law School since it opened in 1995. And with that brief introduction, Hugh, I welcome you to our podcast episode today. Thank you.


Hugh Hewitt: Thank you for having me, Linda. I’m flattered. I’m honored. And I wish you every success in this endeavor because I think it’s a good one. I think the American media is changing rapidly because of people like you and it’s a good thing.


Linda J. Hansen:  Oh, well, thank you so much. That’s an encouragement and I’m sure my listeners will appreciate hearing that, too. I know I and my listeners, I believe are very concerned about the future of this country. We want to keep the country free and we know that the Constitution provides those protections for us if we only pay attention to it. Now, I had asked you to be on the show today, especially to talk about our first topic, the Electoral College. Our Constitution outlines the Electoral College for us and it seems like every four years, this gets debated. You know, should we go with just a national popular vote or do we keep the Electoral College? And I’d like you to explain a little bit about not just the history of the Electoral College, but the importance of it in current time in America.


Hugh Hewitt: Thank you, Linda. I’m always happy to talk about obscure Constitutional Law topics. And believe it or not, every year in the second lecture I give to my Con Law students at the Fowler School at Chapman, I talk about the EC, what I call the EC, Electoral College, as a concluding portion of the brief history of nearly everything lecture that a law student needs to hear. They need to know about the Greeks, the Jews, the Romans, the English, and the Americans. I mean, how did we end up talking today? There are three stories here. How did Linda end up behind the microphone? How did Hugh end up on this side of the conversation? And how did we come to be in America in 2020, with the ability to conduct this conversation? And that all goes back to 1789 and what was ratified as the Constitution by the framers, the founders, as the 1787 Constitutional Convention concluded, and pardon my windiness, but it’s important for people to understand after the revolution succeeded, the government did not.


So, the United States fought a seven-year war for its independence as 13 colonies and then independent states loosely allied under something called the Articles of Confederation. And it was not working. There were rebellion, Shays’ Rebellion in Massachusetts. There were tariffs springing up. There was a lack of money. Liquidity was an issue. Property rights were an issue. There was great chaos. Madison and a few others met in Annapolis at the Annapolis Convention in 1786 to try and resolve the faults of this national government. And they didn’t get anywhere. No one sent delegates. Five states sent delegates out of 13.


So, they resolved to try again the next summer in 1787 and they did in Madison got the big guy, George Washington, to agree to come. Washington wanted to go to Philadelphia and in Philadelphia, the miracle on Philadelphia occurred and independence on, I encourage everyone to go, where over four months in utter secrecy, 50 plus individuals, all White males and we recognize the original sin of America is that it was a slaveholding country and it was a male-dominated country, and that there was not the equality that was foreseen by Jefferson’s document. Jefferson’s in Paris and they have to figure out how to make what is dysfunctional functional.


The Congress of the United States was meeting at the same time in New York not getting done. The convention decided we need a new system to make a federal government that has enough power to run this vast, expanding, exploding continent. It can grow endlessly to the West and we haven’t got the Louisiana Purchase yet. We haven’t got any of that, but we know we have a great manifest destiny to the West. And Madison with help from Hamilton, without actually from the 50 plus delegates to the Constitutional Convention, came up with a government of limited enumerated powers divided three ways at the federal level, and then between the states and the federal government, so that the separation of powers both horizontally between the federal government and vertically between the state and local government would check government from imposing on individual freedom.


We are a Freedom Republic. All of these individuals – I just got back from Monticello. I was in Monticello a week ago today. Great place to visit, I would encourage every American to go there. Jefferson worked in the Declaration of Independence, and now guides approximately half of the world’s countries. And our Constitution has influenced almost every singular constitution that works. They’re all unique, but those that work are all based on ours. At the heart of that Constitution was the Electoral College. The framers, all of them deeply educated in Greek and Roman history, did not believe in direct democracy. They did not want plebiscites. The Athenian example, the Roman example, they wanted mediated majorities. Meaning that in order to accumulate a portion of the power that any individual could get, and no individual could get much, you had to win through mediating institutions. The most important of which was the Electoral College. 


Now, obviously, they didn’t have electronics. They couldn’t actually have a direct vote even if they’d wanted one because there was no way to count up all the votes and get –  I mean, it’s practically not possible. So, they came up with the intermediate institution, not state legislators who could be corrupted, who would have interest. But of electors, who would meet for one reason, who would be elected for one reason, which was to designate and elect the chief executive. Everyone knew it was going to be Washington. The great man was going to run the show for eight years and George III rightly said when he walked away from power, “It was the single greatest act in history.” He willingly laid down power after eight years of being President. But getting to the successor of Washington would be the problem. And the Electoral College was guaranteed to make sure it was not a mob decision. It was not a fake decision. It was not a fraudulent decision. And that every American citizen would have an opportunity to participate via the electors. That’s what the Electoral College was about, maintaining the new constitutional system that put at its heart freedom.


Linda J. Hansen:  Thank you so much for that explanation. I think so many people in America today, I mean, one, we were never taught that in our civics class, unless people are like my age. However, there’s just an ignorance about it. So, that explanation is so helpful. And if we had a popular vote now, there are so many populated areas of the country that would actually basically elect the president. But people who live in Midwestern states or forgotten states, in a sense, you know, Nebraska, Minnesota sometimes or, you know, South Dakota. I mean, they might not be as well represented. Could you speak to that a little?


Hugh Hewitt: Sure. In Federalist 10, Madison lays out the argument for so much of the Constitution, which is factions will develop. There will be political parties. They’re inevitable. People will want power. People have always wanted power through history. So, if men were angels, no government would be necessary. That’s the famous line from Federalist 10. Well, men and women are not angels. They are self-interested, ambitious, sometimes evil people, and they want power like Aaron Burr the ultimate row, the man who attempted to dismember the American Republic after he didn’t become president by stabbing Jefferson in the back in an electoral college dispute in 1800. So, there are bad people.


Madison and the rest of the framers understood. If you go with direct democracy, even if it’s possible, you can just simply appeal to the interests of Virginia and New York in those days. Virginia and New York could get together and crush Connecticut, crush Little Rhody which was full of corrupt and terrible people, crush North Carolina, crush South Carolina and Georgia, crush Maryland. They had the most population and the wealth. So, the whole idea was, “Guys, we will give up part of our power, the power of population, the power of wealth, in order to get freedom.” The ultimate goal was that Linda and Hugh could be here 250 years later, talking trash about anybody that we want to, throw on Brexit, Donald Trump or Joe Biden, and then able to decide tomorrow to stop doing that, change our lives, and move to a different state. Freedom was the whole deal. And so the electoral college did not want a handful of prices to dominate politics.


It has never been changed. I’d like to point this out to critics of Electoral College. Through all of our history, no one has ever gotten up the effort to change the Constitution and we change the Constitution a lot. We got a lot of amendments. I mean, really, really recent amendments, the 25th amendment. We changed the vote in the 60s to allow 18-year-olds to vote. We adopted prohibition. We repealed prohibition. It’s not easy. You need two-thirds of both houses and three-quarters of the states to change the Constitution. But if there’s an overwhelming reason to do, so we have done so.


It’s all laid out in Article V, how to change the Constitution. We’ve never changed the Electoral College. The reason is, the small places, the forgotten places. The Ohios and the Wisconsins, the Kansas and Nebraskas, the Utahs and the North Dakotas don’t want to get rolled. It’s easier to live in California. The weather’s nicer. I lived there for 30 years. It’s certainly fascinating to live in Virginia and inside the beltway. All the power is here. It’s the new realm. It’s wonderful to live in New York because of the restaurants and the money are there, but a lot of people don’t want that. I don’t – where are you right now, Linda? Where you –


Linda J. Hansen:  I am located in Wisconsin. 


Hugh Hewitt: A lot of people want to live in Wisconsin, for reasons that avoid me. I just – I don’t get it. It’s cold out there. 


Linda J. Hansen:  Other than January and February, it’s great.


Hugh Hewitt: I love Ohio, but my wife of 38 wonderful years would never ever move there. I would have moved to Ohio. She’s in California. I would never have ever lived anywhere either now. I love it. But Wisconsin didn’t want to get rolled. Michigan didn’t want to get rolled. And so, they said, “We’re going to put together a government and we’ll participate. We’ll send our taxes. We’ll send our young men and women to serve in the military. They will fight and die. We will obey the laws, but we’re not going to get rolled.” Otherwise, we’d be like Europe. Everyone would want to set up their own government. If we were going to get rolled, why would Wisconsin want to get rolled by California? It doesn’t make any sense. That’s what the electoral college is about is that we are one country of so many different people. Hawaii doesn’t want to be rolled by Wisconsin and Ohio didn’t want to get rolled by Florida. That’s the Electoral College.


Linda J. Hansen:  Very good points. And I would think that, judging by conversations I’ve had with people in the Midwest, I think sometimes we do feel like we’re getting rolled from by California or New York. I mean, like, even in this pandemic. I mean –


Hugh Hewitt: Okay. Bring it home to the people watching or listening.


Linda J. Hansen:  Yes.


Hugh Hewitt: If you’re part of a big family – and I’m a lawyer, so I’ve had to absorb a close range trust and estate disputes, and I always thought it was the most fascinating class to take in law school. I’ve never taught it. It’s very complicated. There’s always somebody who feels like they’re the one who got left out or didn’t get their share of the inheritance, who got rolled by brothers and sisters. They’re all alike – happy families are all like Tolstoy said, “Unhappy families are uniquely unhappy.” Well, they’re all uniquely unhappy because someone thinks they got screwed. America is held together because of this electoral college and because of the Senate because everybody has a chance not to get rolled. You might get rolled in the end but it’s only because the country insisted that we change.


Linda J. Hansen:  Understood. And you brought up the Senate and I know that was something that we had discussed prior to the broadcast, just about the importance of the government body of the Senate. Could you address that?


Hugh Hewitt: Well, there’s only one thing in the United States Constitution that can’t be amended. There’s only one thing that can’t be changed. It’s the United States Senate. Every state gets two senators. So, ask yourself. Go back to 1787. What’s the most important thing? Well, to the South it was slavery. The evil men in the south wanted to uphold slavery, but it was so obnoxious and it was so well-known to being evil, they didn’t put the word into the Constitution. It was Lincoln’s view and it’s my view that eventually the good guys knew that slavery would be eradicated by growth of the Republic, and that it was on a path to extinction, that the Dred Scott decision and John Calhoun bankrupted that attempt to go.


But they knew that the one thing that was necessary to get everyone to the table and be guaranteed that could not be amended was the Senate of the United States because that would guarantee even if you got rolled in big stuff, you’d still have a voice. And the Senate quickly even greatly enhanced that power by adopting the filibuster. That’s an extra-constitutional – not in the Constitution. The filibuster was adopted by the early Senate to even more greatly guarantee the individual states would not get rolled. The 11th amendment was quickly adopted after it was held by the Supreme Court that you could sue states, that people could drag – the states were very real. They still are very real. They are like the governments of Europe. They could go back to that, 200 years down the road. We don’t want the Republic to fall apart. The glue that keeps it together is the United States Senate. It’s the number – it’s the one thing that can’t be amended. 


The Electoral College could be gotten away with – I don’t think it will ever change. I don’t think the little states will let that amendment get through. But people can wring their hands. It has worked. We are free today because it has worked. Now, there are people who say, “No, there’s systemic racism. No, there’s deep inequality.” No – and by the way, there is deep inequality. There is racism. I don’t believe it’s systemic, but there is racism. There are lots of problems. We are a continually improving country. There are flawed people. But the best way to improve on that is expanding freedom, not limiting it.


Linda J. Hansen:  Yeah, I totally agree. Freedom brings opportunity. Freedom brings prosperity. We can’t have prosperity, opportunity, or equality without basic freedom. So – and that has been, like you say, outlined in the Constitution. And you mentioned earlier in our interview about how other countries have followed our lead in so many ways. And I know I often say in my podcast that if America is free, it makes for a more free world. If America is strong, it makes for a stronger world. If America is prosperous, it makes for a more prosperous world. And so, could you address that a little bit, like some of the greatest things about our Constitution that have been adopted in other countries either in part or in whole that –


Hugh Hewitt: Sure. 


Linda J. Hansen:  – they really felt was valuable?


Hugh Hewitt: I’ve been reading about this because Lynne Cheney’s brand new book,The Virginia Dynastyis out. And so I went to Monticello – I’m going to Mount Vernon next week. I’ve been to Montpelier which is James Madison’s home. I’ve and into Monroe’s house in the last month, right? Because I’m into a framer deal right now. The election brings it out in me.


Linda J. Hansen:  [Laughs].


Hugh Hewitt: These individuals prized the Enlightenment and the Enlightenment was not about joining the Protestant Reformation or about joining the Catholic Church. It was about being free to choose whenever you believed in or in nothing at all. I think most people realize that Jefferson was at best, atheist, and that John Adams may – was probably the most Orthodox of the framers. Madison was raised in a tradition of Protestant theology, but it’s – he had trouble with it. They all believed in one thing, the freedom of thought, the right to choose your own belief system, the right to pray to the God that you understand. They were very open-minded about freedom. And they mostly were products of the Enlightenment that believed in free mind and free thinking would produce great benefits for everyone. They, of course, denied that to the enslaved peoples of that era.


But most of them in the North at least and I’m a Northerner. I’m from the Northwest Territory in Ohio as you are. And Northerners were abolitionists to our heart, to our core, and we were opposed to slavery. We’re a Lincoln people, but in our country’s history, it’s an ever-advancing program to develop freedom for people. It’s not – we don’t trust the government. The government can even roll out a website for Obamacare. I like to put that out to people. They want to give the government the Green New Deal. They can’t even get a website right. And so, what we need to do is trust the market, while punishing those who steal and defraud, but we have to trust ourselves, to govern ourselves and our own best interest.


And we have to – the reason your podcast excites me, and we were introduced by mutual friends who’d be happy to – it’s young and it’s growing, as your freedom person. And I like freedom people. I’m very disturbed by the collapse of the independence of the fourth estate, the media. They’re not doing their job and the freedom people need to free media that is vigorous and watchful, and vigilant, not just on President Trump but also on Vice-President Biden. It’s so collapsed. I worry about it. But luckily, we got the First Amendment. So, we will recover from anything, if we can continue to talk to each other.


Linda J. Hansen:  We will recover from anything if we keep the Constitution, in my opinion.


Hugh Hewitt: Yes.


Linda J. Hansen:  In that sense, I mean, for me personally, as a Christian, too, if we keep God at the forefront and then keep the Constitution, obviously, we can recover because the Constitution allows for that. The Constitution allows for, as you say, the fallen man, in the sense that, you know, it lays out a framework. It’s like the Bible of our government, in a sense. And I look at the Bible or anything like that, that it – you know, we can’t achieve the perfection that is outlined but we can grow towards it.


We can always expand our understanding and we can reach for that ideal. It creates a standard that we set that helps elevate everyone. And so, I think it’s just so important and that’s why I wanted to have you on here before the election, actually, because I think people do forget the importance of the Constitution, the importance of the Electoral College, the body of the Senate, and not – even – we’re not even talking right here in this episode about who needs to be elected in November of 2020. But we’re talking about why that was put into the Constitution as something that cannot be changed.


Hugh Hewitt: And the answer is, it’s always the same answer, freedom.


Linda J. Hansen:  Freedom.


Hugh Hewitt: And I want to quote Thucydides. He’s a great historian who precedes the birth of Christ by 500 years, and he wrote a book on the Peloponnesian War. So, this is not a Christian point of view. It’s not an American point of view. It’s 2,500 years old. Thucydides said, “The secret to happiness is freedom and the secret to freedom is courage.” And so, people cannot be happy if they are not free and that’s because we are thinking men and women. We want to explore the meaning of our lives, our place in the universe, and whether or not there is an order. I believe, as a Christian, that there isn’t. It’s easily discoverable. I believe scripture is revealed text but a lot of people don’t. I’ve had Richard Dawkins on my radio show who laughed at me for that. I don’t mind that they laugh, provided that we have the right to inquire and find out for ourselves what it is we’re supposed to be doing in this life.


And the Constitution is a freedom document. The Declaration of Independence is the declaration that we are created equal and endowed with certain unalienable rights. It’s a cliché, but life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is all about what makes us happy. And Arthur Brooks, probably the greatest philosopher alive today, in my view – practical philosopher says, “You’re going to be happy with faith, family, friends, and work that includes service.” Those are the four drives. I mean, it’s not money. It’s not fame. It’s not adoration of the multitude. It’s not clicks. It’s not how many people listen to your podcast or my radio show. It’s faith, family, friends, and service. That’s all guaranteed by the Constitution. This giant superstructure that protects us. I get enthusiastic about weird stuff like the Electoral College because it’s the foundation on which my house is built. It’s why I own my house. It’s why you have the right to do what you do. It’s all the Constitution and you can’t have this episode or not with every different guest. It’s all about freedom.


Linda J. Hansen:  Exactly. And that is why I do this, you know, really to – I’ve often said in my episodes, you know, to grow the foundations of prosperity, the policies of prosperity, and how to protect prosperity by becoming informed, involved, and impactful. And prosperity only comes with freedom, so.


Hugh Hewitt: What do you mean by prosperity by the way? When I saw, I thought – I have my own definition of prosperous. In fact, it’s a funny code – people when they’re married a long time, they develop codes. So, the touching misses you at night, as I refer to around there, whenever we see someone who might – who’s gained a little bit of weight or maybe a lot of weight, we say, “Oh, they’re looking prosperous.” And that’s our code, right? We have other codes like, “Perhaps you’re right,” which means you’re not right, but I’m not going to – I’m going to drop it, right? You get codes after 38 years. That person is looking prosperous means that person’s put on a few pounds. Why do you call this about prosperity? What does prosperity mean to you? I’m interviewing the interviewee but I always knew that.


Linda J. Hansen:  Prosperity means to me the ability to flourish, the ability to thrive, you know, and the ability to grow to be who God created them, that person to be. I know I often tell the story about how when I first got called, I would say, into politics at all was when I held my first child in my arms for the first time. And I looked into his eyes for the first time and I typically get choked up like I am now whenever I think about it because I knew right then I had to help him grow up free. And it was just like driven into my heart that I had to make sure he could grow up in freedom to become all that God had created him to be. 


And so, that has been a passion of my life is to learn about how to protect freedom and then to protect freedom, but also then to educate people about why this is so important. I think in America and you know, around the world, sometimes people who live in greater freedom become complacent. And you’ve looked at the history of nations that rise and fall, you can typically see what happens after a season of complacency and it’s not good. And I would say that 2020 shows us that seasons of complacency are not good when we’re not paying attention to the foundations that brought us this freedom in the first place, we can be destroyed from within.


Hugh Hewitt: You see prosperity as flourishing.


Linda J. Hansen:  It is.


Hugh Hewitt: I mean, you and Arthur Brooks are completely aligned. Arthur Brooks, the art of the happy life is the art of flourishing. It means earn success in whatever you choose to pursue. He was a French horn player with the Spanish National Symphony before he ended up running AEI and going up to Harvard. But what you just said is so profound because freedom, when it’s gone, is very noticed. It’s not noticed when it’s been around for a long time. Rod Dreher, if I can recommend a guest to you, Rod Dreher, D-R-E-H-E-R, has a new book out where he went and spent a lot of time with Christians in Eastern Europe, who had lived under the Soviet empire and how they had survived, and how they had kept their faith alive. And it was by a firm conviction that no matter the hardships, they would pass truth on to their children, the sort of conviction you had when you held your son.


And the accounts of those people under that regime, which is not remembered by a lot of people but which is very real to me because Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn delivered my commencement address. And I worked for Reagan when the Soviet Union existed and I remember it, and I remember thinking it was forever and it wasn’t. And now, we think the Chinese Communist Party is forever and it isn’t if we remain vigilant and committed to freedom, and not self-indulgent. And freedom doesn’t mean license. It doesn’t mean excess. It doesn’t mean consumption. It means moderation in everything and flourishing, and public-spiritedness. Obviously, we get that from our faith, but you don’t even have to be a religious person to understand why freedom matters. So, I salute – you’ve got it right. You’ve got it absolutely right.


Linda J. Hansen:  Thank you. Thank you. And in a couple of recent podcasts episodes, I did interview Judge Jim Troupis. He was a judge from Wisconsin here and he has taught Legal Studies overseas. And he used to take my books to post-Soviet Russia, my first edition of myProsperity 101 - Job Security Through Business Prosperitybooks, and he said that was the heaviest thing that he carried with him, that he would take my books for those students, and he said it was like water in a desert for them. It was just great for them to hear these things.


And then the following week’s episode, I interviewed a young neighbor of mine. She’s a young mom with three kids. She and her husband were born in Soviet Russia and they emigrated from Ukraine. She has been going through the process for years of becoming a U.S. citizen, so has her husband, and they were hoping to have it all finalized and be ready to vote in this November’s election, while –


Hugh Hewitt: I’ve not met a naturalized citizen, by the way, and I’m sure they exist. I just haven’t met one who doesn’t love Donald Trump. It’s just an obvious – and the reason they do is he’s such a black and white figure to them, and they have fled. I mean, the Cuban American population in Miami is going overwhelmingly for Trump because Trump takes seriously freedom. And this is not a comment on Biden. It’s a comment on why are they attracted to Trump. It’s because he’s black and white on freedom. I mean, he really believes in it. He’s a market guy. He’s a developer. I tell everyone, “If you’ve met one developer, you’ve met them all.” And they all just want the government to get the hell out of their way, and maybe they should or they shouldn’t, but they all act towards government, the way the framers acted towards government, which is, “This is my land. I’m going to do with it what I want to do. Leave me alone.” And so, the leave me alone impulse in America is protected by the Electoral College.


Linda J. Hansen:  Exactly. Exactly. And that is really a lot what that guest had talked about, too, is just the freedom to come here. And she said even now that Ukraine has been independent since 1991, there is still absolutely no comparison. Absolutely no comparison to the life, the ability to prosper, to flourish, to thrive that America offers and she has tears in her eyes when she thinks about how America may actually throw that away in this election. And she pleaded with people to vote on direction, not personality. So, if they have personality conflict –


Hugh Hewitt: Oh, well-put. Well-put.


Linda J. Hansen:  Yeah. Yeah, she was very wise. And so, it’s just great.


Hugh Hewitt: So, vote on direction, not personality.


Linda J. Hansen:  Yes, vote on direction.


Hugh Hewitt: That’s very well-put. I may steal that. So, I – because it says, just vote to be left alone. Don’t vote because you – it’s not the Bachelorette. It’s not Who’s Got Talent? It’s – that’s not what it is. It’s who’s going to leave you alone? Honestly, people who’s going to leave you alone?


Linda J. Hansen:  Exactly. And, you know, in four years, we won’t have the president we’re electing right now. So, we can’t –


Hugh Hewitt: Absolutely right. You know, Linda, I – my first presidential campaign was 1976. I’m older than you. I organized Massachusetts for Jerry Ford, which was a very lonely job to be the college director for Massachusetts in 1970. Nobody remembers the election of Carter Ford. Nobody. I mean, you have to be 64 or older, you’re not dead or you can’t remember either. And we thought the world was going to end. Point being, time marches on. The children who are today in first grade will not remember either Donald Trump or Joe Biden. They will have no memory of this and they will be adults before you turn around. This will all pass. What doesn’t pass is the ability of those children to choose their lives right now and to be educated as their mother and father want them to be educated. That’s what we have to hang on to is freedom.


Linda J. Hansen:  Exactly. And we have to vote for freedom in this election. And I really hope and pray that we are able to win that election for freedom this time around. I’ve told a lot of people that may even want to vote third party or something that please vote for freedom this election. Vote for the direction this election to ensure the fact that you can vote for whoever you want to vote for next election.


Hugh Hewitt: I honestly believe, I mean, Biden-Harris could win 50 states and I wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep. I will lose sleep if they pack the Supreme Court. That’s the end of the Republic. The moment that we begin changing the composition of courts in order to enforce laws that are not constitutional, is the moment we no longer have a Republic. We have a Banana Republic. And that is the most radical thing that has not been repudiated by Biden-Harris that alarms me the most. Untrammeled court power, a six-three court that we have right now that lasts 10 years, we’ll be fine no matter who wins three elections in a row. We really will be and no party stays longer than 12 years in power anymore. That just doesn’t happen. We have to leave the Supreme Court alone.


Linda J. Hansen:  That sounds like a great topic for another episode [Laughs].


Hugh Hewitt: It is. We have to leave the court alone.


Linda J. Hansen:  I’d love to have you back to discuss that one time, so – well, I thank you so much for your time today. I know our episode is coming to a close. But if people would like to contact you, it’s pretty easy to find you. You could just go to The Hugh Hewitt Show. So, would you like to give the website?


Hugh Hewitt: Sure. It’s HughHewitt.com. Easiest thing in the world, H-U-G-H-H-E-W-I-T-T, HughHewitt.com. Follow me on Twitter. I am a Twitter addict, although I may get off. I’m a little bit disturbed. They’re not the government, so they can do whatever they want with their site, but they’re clearly not playing fair. I don’t – we have a Facebook page and people can follow that. There’s a new site called Parler, which I’m watching, which may be the alternative to Twitter and competition is good for everyone. Monopolies are bad. And so, I’ve opened up an account on Parler as well, so people can follow me on either Twitter or Parler, Facebook, or HughHewitt.com.


Linda J. Hansen:  Well, that’s great. And you can listen to his shows. They live stream and you can also listen 24/7. So, it has a variety of guests and a variety of topics, and I know you’ll be educated and enlightened and when you listen. So, please do tune in to his show and Hugh, I can’t thank you enough for joining us today.


Hugh Hewitt: Thank you, Linda. Continued success to your prosperity conversation and to bringing people light and happiness, and purpose.


Linda J. Hansen:  Thank you. 


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