Title: Protecting Vulnerable Voters – What Can You Do? – with Kerri Toloczko – [Ep. 143]

Linda J. Hansen  

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The right to vote is a great privilege we have in America. We should never take it for granted nor should we become complacent about protecting that right. In addition to protecting our own votes, it's important for us to protect the rights of vulnerable voters, those who cannot necessarily be the eyes and ears on the ground to make sure their vote is legally handled. Protecting vulnerable voters is a political and legal imperative if we want to ensure free, fair and transparent elections, where every legal vote is counted, and every illegal vote is not.

With me today is Kerri Toloczko, National Training Director at Conservative Partnership Institute's Election Integrity Network. And we'll be discussing protecting vulnerable voters, a political and moral imperative. Thank you, Kerri, for joining with me today and for your work to protect vulnerable voters.

Kerri Toloczko  

Well, thank you, Linda. It's a pleasure to be with you for sure.

Linda J. Hansen  

Well, as I've learned more about what you do, to protect the vulnerable voters and all voters in general, but you have a special heart for the vulnerable voters. Many people might not understand what we're talking about when we mention vulnerable voters. You know, they might think that elderly people in nursing homes who, you know, maybe they have dementia or whatever. But there's really more categories. Could you share the major categories of vulnerable voters?

Kerri Toloczko  

I would be happy to. The four major categories of vulnerable voters are military voters, who one would not necessarily think a military member would be vulnerable in any way. You know, they're out there defending us on the foreign grounds everyday. But their vote – their ballots are very vulnerable – seniors, veterans, anyone in a residential facility, whether it be assisted living or a senior living facility, Americans with disabilities, and homeless voters. And each one of these has its own unique challenges. And each one of these has a way that we can act both as election integrity advocates as well as poll watchers to make sure that those ballots of these folks are accurately counted and properly handled.

Linda J. Hansen  

Well, that is so important to make sure that these are accurately counted and properly handled. We also mentioned when we've talked before about people in group homes.

Kerri Toloczko  

Yes.

Linda J. Hansen  

Some of the disabled people in group homes, but also new citizens or non-English speaking voters. So, if we have time, I'd like to discuss that as well a little bit.

Kerri Toloczko  

Absolutely.

Linda J. Hansen  

But for the purpose of this interview, I'd really like to focus on seniors and those in residential facilities. Because I think this is something that even now we're recording this in late October of 2022, the midterm elections are upon us, and people can already do a lot. It's not too late to help protect the votes of these vulnerable voters.

So, you know, we're not talking about party or anything. We're talking about the right for every individual to allow their vote to be cast in a legal, fair, and protected manner. And then we'd like to talk about how to protect the military vote and what we should be looking for, and the homeless. A lot of people don't think about the homeless people and their right to vote. So, let's start with the military voters. What can we do to make sure that their votes are protected?

Kerri Toloczko  

It is very unfortunate that only about half of the military members and this includes spouses voted in 2020. Roughly 47% of the military voted that year versus about 74% of civilian voters. And the main reason that they didn't vote was that they had difficulty requesting an absentee ballot or their absentee ballot did not arrive at all. This happened to my son who's an army officer in Italy, who requested his absentee ballot well within the confines of time required and never got it.

uBt right now, between now and the election, one of the most important things we can do, as poll observers or poll watchers, is if we're at polling stations where they are transcribing ballots from the military to the machine-ready ballots, we need to be watching that. So, here's what happens. You’re a member of the military or you're a civilian working overseas, and you get a ballot either in your email or by fax or by mail.

You can email it back. You can fax it back. Or you can mail it back on a piece of paper that came out of your printer that might not necessarily be a piece of paper that can go through the ballot machine at your county level. So, in most counties, in most states, there is a process where these ballots are transcribed from the ballot that arrived to the ballot that is machine-ready.

In this process, there have been many anecdotal cases and some in Florida, where I live that had been demonstrated, where the intent of the voter doesn't always go over to what they call the clean ballot. So, if any of our friends are working in poll observing or poll watching, please make sure that there is a member of both parties watching the transcriptions of these ballots, whether they be email, fax, or a piece of paper, on to the machine-ready ballot.

There's a lot we can do ahead of time to protect military ballots by advising our military families through the VFW or the Daughters of the American Revolution, or any of our local groups that deal with the military in any way, shape, or form. And if you live near an army base, a navy base, Marines, any of the service member bases, you know, there's education you can do as well.

That's probably, Linda, a topic for another day because we're so close to this election. But again, I would really encourage folks to make sure that these ballots are observed and before Election Day, and there's plenty of those days left. Go and visit your local election office and ask them the question, “How do you transcribe military ballots when they come through? Who observes this? Who makes sure that they are transcribed accurately?”

We always say there's action and there's observation. The actions that we take are very important. But when just chatting with our election officials, sometimes putting them on notice and letting them know that we're watching is half the battle. So, I would really encourage people to do those two things.

Linda J. Hansen  

That's so important and it's great to know that even listeners, if you're hearing this and it's not Election Day yet, you can still sign up to be an observer. It's such an important role and people don't really think about it as important. They just think about the, you know, officials behind the table when you go check in to vote. But actually, observers play an important role. And it's part, I think, of our duty as citizens to make sure that our elections are run according to state law, according to the rules that are set forth. And that way we can protect everyone.

And I like how you remember to say, too, that the Republican and the Democrat representative should be there. Sometimes people get the erroneous impression that when we're talking about election integrity, we're just talking about, you know, promoting one party over the other. And that is not true at all.

We are working hard to promote election integrity for every citizen. We want every citizen to be able to express their right to vote. And whatever vote they choose to cast is their right. And it should be protected, whether they're in the military or in other vulnerable situations. So, that's great to know. So, people as an action point, you can go to your election clerk. You can ask how the military votes are transcribed and counted, and how you may observe that process. So, please do that.

Kerri Toloczko  

Absolutely. And we always say, you know, it's about the ballots, not the parties. And you know, if you're a Republican poll watcher and you're observing something, please make sure you ask for Democrat to be with you and vice-versa. Because you want to make sure that at the end of the day if you're documenting anything that's a little wobbly, that you, whichever party you're in, that you can also say, “Well, the person of the other party was observing this as well.” I mean, that's critically important.

Linda J. Hansen  

That's such a good point. And I'm sure the listeners will be appreciative of that. So, we've talked about the military. Now, what about people in residential facilities, especially like the elderly in care facilities?

Kerri Toloczko  

Yeah, it's a mess. And in Wisconsin where you are, Linda, just three names pop into mind, Lucy Corrado [spelled phonetically], Violet Heath [spelled phonetically], and Thelma Robinson [spelled phonetically]. These are the three beautiful elderly ladies were in the St. Francis center for rehabilitation in Wisconsin. And none of them were verbal and none of them were ambulatory. And all of them voted in 2020.

There was one staff member who had signed as the assistant to all the ballots. And that staff assistant, you know, nothing ever came of that. This is a widespread national problem. There is a union that is very involved in nursing homes and residential facilities. They supply staff. They are very involved in politics. They give 98% of their giving to one particular party. And they're all over these residential facilities.

And folks, especially the elderly or anyone who has a disability and is in one of these homes or residential facilities, you know, you're depending on your aides to take you to the dining room, to take you to the ladies room, to give you your medication, to help you bathe, every activity of daily living. And there are a lot of cases where these aides are pushing you to vote at all or pushing you to vote in a certain way. And it's a terrible situation for folks.

So, you know, we have suggestions for people who want to be engaged in protecting people in residential facilities. There's really two things you can do. And again, just like you said, Linda, it's not too late. There are visits and there are letters. You know, visit your local executive director of your local nursing home or assisted living. If you can only pick 10 between now and November 8, that's perfectly fine.

Explain to them the laws of your state. Make sure you know the laws of your state, who can help, who cannot help. Advise them that stranger danger is a problem, that no one in their facility should be giving their personal information or their ballot to anyone who's really not a trusted family member. I mean, you know, that's ideal. The ideal doesn't always happen. Ask if you can speak with their staff. Ask if you can speak with their residents. “You know, I just want to give 15 minutes. I'm non-partisan, I'm not coming in with a donkey or elephant pin. And I want to explain to your residents how important and precious their ballots are. And they should not bow to any intimidation whatsoever.”

And also, you know, you can write a letter to the executive director. We have a sample letter that we're happy to distribute to people that just sort of lays out what the laws are and the rights of the elderly or seniors, or people with disabilities to vote without interference or pressure from anyone. And for your listeners to know, when we talk about people with disabilities voting, there's a lot of nexus with people who are seniors are in residential facilities, whether it's visual problems or movement problems, mobility issues. You know, so if you are working with vulnerable voters or on voting vulnerable voters in a local task force or just as an activist, always keep those two things in mind, that there's a lot of cross over there with the challenges they face at the polls.

Linda J. Hansen  

Yes, there certainly is. And, you know, during COVID and during the problem with the 2020 elections, I know the Gableman Report that has been in the new, I think from Wisconsin. And because I'm from Wisconsin, I really have paid attention to a lot of the details here, obviously. But all of us should pay attention because the issues that were presented in that report, I'm sure are not unique to Wisconsin.

Kerri Toloczko  

No.

Linda J. Hansen  

And as I've learned, things that have gone on in other states and not just in 2020. I mean, this – you know, people think – you know, people are just talking about issues with elections in 2020. But no, we're talking about making sure elections are free, fair, and transparent now and moving forward. But we learned from looking backwards to see what kind of mistakes were made or maybe what kind of nefarious activity was done in different years. But actually, one of the things you're talking about, the care facilities in Milwaukee, Racine and Dane counties here in Wisconsin, 100% of voters –

Kerri Toloczko  

Including the people in the memory unit.

Linda J. Hansen  

Yes.

Kerri Toloczko  

It’s impossible. It's a statistical impossibility.

Linda J. Hansen  

It's just impossible. And, you know, now with that, too, we need to think about drive-up voting a little bit. You know, my mom at the time of the 2020 election, she was in a care facility. I did not want to take a risk with her vote nor did she. You know, she was declining. But boy, she was sharp as a tack when it came to who she wanted to vote for. She wanted to make sure she could vote. She didn't want anything to happen to it. And so, I took her to the polls. They had a drive-up voting option. And two people came out to the car and were there to, you know, oversee her voting. I was glad for her. It made it easier for her because she wasn't very ambulatory at the time. But I personally think that is -- we just – it's just a ripe for fraud, to be honest.

Kerri Toloczko  

It is.

Linda J. Hansen  

And I had no idea if the two people that came out were representative of both parties or what their role was. They were not paying that close attention. I was just glad I was an honest person. And I actually took a video of my mom after she voted, where she told what she did and she said who she voted for, and why she voted for that person, and everything so no one could accuse me of impacting her vote improperly. But it's just a ripe situation for fraud. So, how can we protect people like that who may be taken to the polls? But they may be coerced to vote for someone because they're vulnerable sitting in a car.

Kerri Toloczko  

They are. They are. So, a couple of things. One, you know, again, Linda, we'll have to talk after the election a little bit more about this, and what people can do in the lead up to the next election. Because the thing about this election is there's going to be another one after it. This is not a one-off project that we're doing or that we're talking about.

But right now, the most important thing is if you're a poll watcher or an observer, or you're just a voter, especially if you're volunteering – when you get to your polling station, make sure that if your state allows Braille ballot, that there are Braille ballots available. Make sure that you have audio instruction in your state or at your poll area, that your audio setup is ready. Make sure the desks for people with wheelchairs and walkers are already set up before voting starts. And if there is curbside voting, make sure that you are insisting that there are two observers of each party there.

The goal is both for seniors and for folks with disabilities can make sure that we eliminate as many – how do I say this – as many opportunities for their vote to be manipulated as possible. So, in Wisconsin – so every state is different. Okay, so every state has different laws about supporting people with disabilities. And again, seniors, the nexus there, and also about curbside voting. But in Wisconsin, for example, is a real nightmare.

And I'm reading the statute. If you need help marking your ballot on election day, you may take anyone you choose with you into the voting booth. Now, the thing about this is, is the voter is not always choosing the person to go into the voting booth with them. And when voting booth in this case means a Braille ballot or a special table for a wheelchair or curbside voting, how often did the person actually choose “anyone.” That's terrifying to me.

So, if you have activist people in third party groups who are bringing people to the polls who can't – and the folks necessarily can't see all that well, or you have staff from the residential facility that hasn't been instructed to encourage people to vote a certain way because that's what they do, then these people are really at risk.

So, you know, setting – making sure everything is set up and observed ahead of time is key. And again, you know, later on, we can talk more about how to get into your community ahead of time and make sure that you're educating and advising as many of these folks as you possibly can, you know, to make sure that their votes are not manipulated in any way, shape, or form.

Linda J. Hansen  

Well, exactly. Thank you. And it is really important to and for those of us who have loved ones that are elderly or disabled, or you know, even just neighbors and friends, we want to make sure that their vote is counted accurately and their rights are respected. We don't want anyone on any side of the aisle to improperly influence their vote or hamper their ability for their vote to be counted properly. Could you address the homeless?

Kerri Toloczko  

Yeah. So, the homeless has its unique set of horrible things that happen in the voting process as well as challenges. So, the horrible things, which I find just morally egregious, particularly in California and New York, they are rounded up, they are given cigarettes and money, and food. And they are asked to vote a certain way. Like I think anybody that does that ought to go to Leavenworth, like tomorrow once they get convicted of doing it.

So, they are at gross disadvantage when it comes to making choices a lot of the times because they have these needs. And a lot of these particular groups go and take advantage of these folks, who are so incredibly vulnerable. Also, they have an ID and an address problem. There are some states that require homeless voters to have an ID. There are some states that don't. You know, for your listeners, you have to figure out what that is in your state what those requirements are.

And a lot of states like Pennsylvania, for example, they're given a piece of paper and they can draw on there where they live. And I'm not being flip or sarcastic, under a bridge, on a bench, wherever it is these poor souls are putting their heads down at night, that is their voting location. And they're allowed to vote. Now, I'm a big fan and I'm sure you are as well, Linda – is making sure that everybody votes, including homeless voters. But we have to make sure that they're not intimidated.

And one of the places I think that election integrity advocates and conservatives, in general, fall down on the job is just simply asking them or reaching out, going to places, going to homeless shelters, going to YMCA facilities that help these folks, and just not telling them who to vote for. Not – no, no, no. But saying to them, “Listen, you know, you have a right to a private vote. Let me help you figure out how to register. Don't let anybody intimidate you. You don't have to vote for a certain party.”

You know, just advising them that they have the right to make that personal decision with the greatest of respect and honor as any other American citizen. So, if you're poll watching or your poll observing, watch for those vans that are coming and dropping off, you know, 20 people. There's not that much you can do once you get to the polling place other than to observe.

And if you see a problem that is related to a group of homeless people, document, document, document, and report it up the chain of whatever your reporting system is for your particular party or for your particular precinct, but do report it again. Once again, it’s the action in the eyeballs. One, you're taking action to say, “Hey, listen. There's some shenanigans going over here. You know, 20 people just came off and somebody else is checking, you know, the box for them. And oh, by the way, we're watching.” So, that's just a key factor there.

Linda J. Hansen  

Well, and as we're so close to the election now is the time that we're recording this, obviously, we need to plan ahead for future elections. But for this election, being an observer, like you say, being the eyes on the ground to be able to keep an eye on every ballot really and making sure the laws are followed. So, people should understand the laws in their state. But also, what are some basic things? Like if someone does sign up to be an observer and they can go to WhosCounting.us.

Kerri Toloczko  

Right.

Linda J. Hansen  

WhosCounting.us. to sign up to be an observer, to get involved in the election integrity process that will put you into the Election Integrity Network, which is a non-partisan group that is really trying to protect, you know, the vote for everyone and promote election integrity across the country. So, WhosCounting.us. So, you can, you know, say you want to be an observer.

What are some other things that everyone should be watching for? You mentioned this busload of people. I know. Some people have been dropped off. And people have been escorting them and saying, “I can help you vote.” Well, that's illegal. Right? And so, what are some of the basic things as observers that even if it's not a detail of their state, it's a basic thing that they should know? And even if you're not an observer, but you're just a voter, you just go to vote, you might be in line, you might be done voting, you might see something that needs attention, what would you recommend they look for?

Kerri Toloczko  

Absolutely. So, just going to the basics, one of the things we always say is, “Be right and polite. Be the solution, not the story.” So, if you are a poll observer or just a voter who saw something that just looks very hinky to you, two things. Don't make a fuss. Always take the moral high ground. No yelling. No cussing. No aggressive behavior. Because guess what? You will be this story on the front page of your local newspaper, as opposed to the issue that you're trying to uncover.

So, it's very hard. We get very emotional around election time. everybody does. You know, emotions are definitely heightened. But just always remember, be right and polite. So, we get the polite part. The right part, especially if you're a poll observer, you can't bring every single statute for your state on a clipboard with you, every single solitary one. Some of them are like, you know, 40 pages long.

But if you're concerned about a particular issue, print it off. And I always say, be a clipboard warrior. Bring that statute with you. Let's say, for example, you're concerned with voters with disabilities or senior voters. Make sure you have on your clipboard what the rights and regulations are for those people, the combinations for those people in your state. If anybody gives you any grief, just point. Document everything.

And there's a reason we tell people to do everything in pairs, voting in pairs and poll observing in pairs. Because you always want to have your buddy there with you to backup what you said and to write an independent report. Do not poo poo the value of providing a report, especially if you're in a task force or you're working with your local party because those reports that you prepare when you get to the point where you have to change and ask for new legislation that is more protective than what you have, those anecdotes are hugely important.

Written statements versus I saw this guy and he showed up without an ID, and they let him vote. Okay, well, that's not helpful. What's helpful is really making sure that you document everything. And again, be the solution, not the story. So, if you are a poll observer or again, just as a voter, you have all the right in the world to look over and see something funky and worry about it. Write it down.

I will be very cautious in saying different states have different rules about where you can take pictures and what you can take pictures of. Make sure you're aware of that before you do any kind of activism at the polls. Remember, if you are a poll observer or poll watcher, you are the eyes. You are not the hands. Don't touch anything, anyone, anybody, a machine, a ballot, a person, a voter, anything. Make sure you're only doing observation status. And don’t ever think that that isn't hugely important.

As Election Integrity Network, I could sit here for an hour and list anecdotes of poll watchers who have truly changed outcomes of elections in their precincts because they saw something and they reported it. And they made people nervous and so, they fixed it. So, I've heard people say, “Oh, I'm just a poll watcher. I'm just a,” – no, no, no. You are the front lines. You’re the citizen activist. Your eyes are so important and your fingers, as you're writing things down. Bring your own piece of paper. The election office won't give you one.

But those are sort of my overall advice. Be right and polite. Always go in twos. Don't make a fuss. Don't be the story. And have no fear about writing down something that you see that just bothers you. Like, maybe it's nothing, but maybe it's something. And send it up the line, whether it's to your election official or your local party official, or whatever – you know, whatever sort of fulcrum you have to move the information along.

Linda J. Hansen  

And that's so important. And thank you for sharing that. As I said at the beginning of the interview, the right to vote is a great privilege. And we should never take it for granted nor should we become complacent about protecting that right. And as volunteers as citizens, we need to keep our eyes and ears open. And just like they tell us that the TSA, you know, if you see something, say something. You know, write it down, document it, and make sure we do protect the votes for everyone.

So, I like to help employers and employees understand the importance of this. Obviously, leadership matters. Elections have consequences. So, please make an educated vote according to the values that you hold. We're not here to tell you who to vote for. But we're saying please do your homework and be an educated voter and understand the principles and policies for the person you're voting for. And really decide based on your own research and not just to buy what someone tells you. So, that's one recommendation about that.

But if you're an employer, I'd like to suggest, too, that you allow employees time to serve at the polls. Like whether it's an election official or whether it is as a volunteer. Obviously, we want every employee to be able to go vote. And it's great to vote in person, non-absentee. But if they can get time to absolutely be an observer, that's a wonderful service to the community and to our nation.

So, all employers out there, if that's something that you could encourage employees to do and could allow them some time to do that, it's a great addition to civic life and helps them understand, as I often say in my podcasts, the blessings and responsibilities of living in a free society. Because we have this privilege, and it needs to be protected. So, Kerri, before we close, do you have any final comments?

Kerri Toloczko  

Yeah, just one. The Declaration of Independence says that government depends on the consent of the governed. So, that sounds like a vague term that we probably – well, hopefully, we learned in the fifth grade. Hopefully, people are still learning it in the fifth grade now. I don't know what. But it's the – you know, the consent of the governed. Okay, that sounds fancy. It's probably in a, you know, over a door in some government building in Washington, DC.

You are the consent of the governed. When you vote, that is how you either give your consent or remove your consent. Every single individual in this country, no matter what party they vote for, no matter how they vote, have that right to give or withdraw their consent. And no organization or group, or bunch of miscreants or anyone else has that right to take away your right to provide the consent to government or to remove it.

So, you know, don't ever – I think a voter is just the biggest hero that we have in this country honestly. And it's a little bit hard right now because we hear so much. But you know, it's great. And I also – one of the things we talk about a lot. We've heard a lot of – anecdotally around the country, a lot of people show up to vote, and they say, “Oh, but Ms. Hanson, you've already voted absentee.” And Ms. Hanson says, “No, I have not.”

So, we have a little phrase we'd like to employ called VIP One, which means vote in person on the first day of voting. Make sure that your vote is the first one of – your vote that gets recorded, so that if someone else wants to record your vote later on, you've already done it yourself. So, VIP One, that's kind of my last little tidbit of advice.

Linda J. Hansen  

Well, those are great things. And we, the people, are in charge of our government. When I hear people complaining about what elected officials are doing or something I say, “You know, the problems we're having right now in our nation really aren't due to our elected officials, like our President or anyone else.” They're really due to the fact that we, the people, allowed it to happen.

We, the people, are the ones who have been too complacent to actually stand up for our rights and stand up for making sure we have free, fair, and transparent elections across the board in every state, in every city, every county. We, the people, need to be the ones who step up and make the difference because it is of the people, by the people, and for the people. So, I'm really glad you brought that up. Thank you. The citizen is the most important leader in our nation.

Kerri Toloczko  

Oh, that's like – I'd like that on a T-shirt. That's exactly right. That is exactly right.

Linda J. Hansen  

Well, we'll close with that. So, if people want to get in touch with you, how should they do so?

Kerri Toloczko  

I am welcome to have people email me. I have a very complicated name. I will spell it out twice. It's ktoloczko@cpi.org. That's ktoloczko@cpi.org. And you can always find us at, as you mentioned, Linda, WhosCounting.us or as we like to say, Who's Counting Us. And we also have a series of master classes in election integrity there under our Resources tab that we always love for people to come and look. I think there are 20 lessons there now. They're only about 3, 4, 5, 6 minutes long. And they're a great way to learn sort of the basics and the details of election integrity. So please come visit us at WhosCounting.us

Linda J. Hansen  

Yes. And another resource there is the Citizens Guide to forming an Election Integrity Task Force.

Kerri Toloczko  

Yes.

Linda J. Hansen  

So, as we look at like being an observer here now, if you're a listener, think about serving in your local community on a task force. You know, maybe there's an area here that we have discussed that is of special interest to you, and you would like to devote a little more time to making sure that that is handled properly in your local community, we need you.

Every area of the country needs this. And we need these citizen task forces that will just really make sure, like I said, free, fair, and transparent. We want every legal vote to be counted. It doesn't matter who you vote for. We just want your right to vote to be protected and your legal vote to be counted properly. So, please go to WhosCounting.us and you can find Kerri there. And she gave her email. So, thank you so much, Kerri, and we appreciate all you do. Thank you.

Kerri Toloczko  

Thank you. We appreciate all you do as well, Linda.

Linda J. Hansen  

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