Stop Dreaming of a Better Yesterday! The Water Tastes the Same – with Herman Cain [Ep. 25]

Linda: Thank you for joining us today. Today, I welcome my good friend, mentor, and just a dear colleague, Herman Cain. Herman Cain is a repeat guest today. I welcome you back, Mr. Cain.

Herman: Thank you, Linda.

Linda: Yes. It's just a pleasure to have you here. For those who don't know you, and I doubt there's very many of my listeners who don't, but for those who don't know you, I'd like to read a little bit of your bio.

Herman Cain is an American success story, in business, in broadcasting, in public life, and most importantly for him, as a man of faith and of family. He and his wife, Gloria, have been married over 50 years and each day they celebrate their two children and four grandchildren. His success in business, broadcasting, and as a leading voice on public policy stems from his lifetime devotion to hard work, learning, self-improvement, and the breaking down of barriers. Mr. Cain has never let anyone tell him what he had to think, what his limits should be, or whose rules he had to play by, apart from God. He has also never accepted conventional wisdom, which drives some people crazy, and that’s just the way Herman likes it. For those of you who are listening, both Mr. Cain and I right now have a very huge grin because that's part of what makes us enjoy working together.

Many Americans were first introduced to Herman Cain when in 1994, he participated as CEO of Godfather's Pizza in a townhall meeting on healthcare reform hosted by President Bill Clinton. Much to the surprise of everyone in the room, Mr. Cain schooled the President on the realities of small business, finance and healthcare, creating a lasting impression that would not soon fade in the minds of business and political leaders. If you've never seen that video before, I invite you to go to hermancain.com, and you can scroll and find that video.

This made a lasting impression and he became somewhat famous, that led to him being a newspaper columnist and radio host, but he made his biggest splash in 2011 when he sought the Republican nomination for President, much to the surprise, just about everyone, if not Herman Cain himself, he rose to the top of the polls early in the process on the strength of his 9-9-9 tax proposal. It was a radical and exciting idea that, personally, I think would have been great.

Now, Mr. Cain is a broadcaster, a businessman. I'm just really thankful to have him here today. For those who might be listening and don't really know our history together, I was fortunate to be one of two people who convinced Mr. Cain to run for President, to which he said, “You guys are crazy.” And I said, “I know, but we can take you to number one.” [laughs]

Herman: I did say you were crazy.

Linda: Yes. I think there might have been another word added in before crazy [laughs] but I don't think we can repeat that. But it was really a wonderful experience and it was an honor, Mr. Cain, to work for you and be your Executive Vice President, Deputy Chief of Staff for your presidential campaign and to work with you all these other times. So, thank you for your leadership, for your example, for your courage, bravery, and firm resolve to stand for freedom and the principles that made this country great.

Herman: Let me interject something. It fits in with what you said about I never pause to identify my limitations. I do a daily show, as you know, that's posted at hermancain.com. And coming June 27, I will have a new TV show, The Herman Cain Show. It'll be on newsmax.com, 30 minutes on Saturdays and they'll probably rerun it. So, starting June 27, I will be adding to my list of things that's supposed to be part of my retirement, The Herman Cain Show. I'm looking forward to it, because it's a medium that found me. Digital TV, I believe, is going to continue to grow and newsmax.com, they have been a pioneer in that. I'm already a frequent contributor to newsmax.com. But now I'm going to have my own show starting June 27. I thought I would just let your listeners know about that.

Linda: Oh, that's so exciting. I definitely was planning on bringing that up. For our listeners, again, go to hermancain.com and you can stay updated on all of that.

But just a little background. We met through grassroots politics, basically 2007-2008 timeframe. You were a great addition and advisor to my Prosperity 101® program. We did workshops together. You contributed to my first book. I'm just really grateful for your input and advice there.

You believe, as I do, that it is important for employers to educate employees about the public policy issues that affect their jobs. We believe that policy affects paycheck and not many people understand that. I know you and I've talked about it so much, and I mentioned it on this podcast, that so many people go to the voting booth, and they have no idea that they might be voting themselves right out of a job because they're supporting people who do not promote business, do not promote business-friendly policies, and who are really voting to destroy our freedoms in America.

Herman: Let me give you a recent example, relative to the point about people don't know who they're voting for. With the pandemic, you're familiar with the PPP program, Paycheck Protection Program. A lot of employers had to let some people go, or they could apply for the Paycheck Protection Program revenue to help keep those people employed. That's the good news. But in order to pass that program, the Trump administration had to go along with some things that they did not like. For example, unemployment, unemployment insurance plus a $600 a week sweetener. A lot of people saw it as, “Oh, $600 extra plus unemployment, that's more money than many of them were making.” Here's what they did not know. While they were celebrating that they had all of this free money for a while, they failed to realize that if your employer calls back and offers you a job, and you say, “No, I'm not coming back,” and they inform the unemployment office that you said, “No,” your unemployment check and your $600 sweetener goes away. That's an example of them not understanding how policy impacts their job, like you just indicated.

They didn't know that while they were out celebrating free money, and it was supposed to be just holdover money, that they made the mistake of not knowing the policy, not knowing how it impacted the employer, and how it will ultimately impact them. That is a recent example. I've seen it firsthand with some people who once the unemployment checks stopped, they called up their previous employer complaining about the check stop. It's only then that they realized what the public policy is. That's unfortunate for them.

Linda: That is just really a good point. I've heard from many employers that they've had trouble having people come back to work just for that very reason. They could make more money not working than they could working, but they don't realize it's a short-term fix. It's not forever. You mentioned the term “free money” from the government. I know you and I have spent a lifetime or two lifetimes saying there is no such thing as free money from the government. The government can only have money if we give it to the government first. There is no free money. Now, that's a really good point.

The point that you said that people just don't understand how the policy is, I think that especially this generation, because of social media-- it's like the Facebook news mentality, social media news mentality. It's like they go just for the headline, but they don't-- It's like they get the appetizer, but they don't take in the meal. This is really disconcerting. As we look at what has happened in our culture, where we have these autonomous zones, we have the statues being destroyed, we have people trying to rewrite history in a sense, or erase history, you mentioned on one of your broadcasts on hermancain.com that history is history. It doesn't matter if we try to erase it. It doesn't make it not our history. We can learn from all of it. What would you say to those who are really trying to erase our history from the minds of current citizens?

Herman: I would like to use a quote that Senator Tim Scott from South Carolina said about history. I said, “History is history.” He indicated in an interview that he did recently, that history gives us a benchmark about how far we have come. Stop dreaming of a better yesterday. Yesterday is history. It lets us know how far we have come. We ought to be focusing on today and tomorrow. I believe that's much more important.

Now, one other thing that I would like to point out is that those people that are involved in the violence, pulling down statues, trying to erase our history, they are anarchist. I firmly believe that there's an element in our society that wants to destroy the United States of America. We're the greatest country in the world and some people don't like that. Some of the people inside this country don't like that. Some people have turned those people domestic terrorists. That's exactly what they are. When they want to set up a cop-free zone up in Seattle, and now they're trying to do it near the White House, they have no regard for law and order. It's very frustrating and it's very disappointing.

As you know, I grew up in Atlanta, Georgia in the 50s and 60s, I have lived through segregation. I've lived through discrimination while climbing the corporate ladder. But as you very well know, I never used those barriers as excuses. The last thing they ought to be out there doing is pulling down statues, writing graffiti on landmarks, and things of that nature. But this is why I've concluded they are paid anarchists. They aren't the ones who recognize the benefits of being in this country. Somebody like me could not have risen in corporate America, risen in politics, risen in broadcasting, all of the other things that God has blessed me with if I was in any other country. I would have been basically told or not allowed to do some of these things. But this is the beauty of this country. And when people want to destroy our history, they want to destroy opportunity.

Linda: That's a very good quote, “When people want to destroy our history, they want to destroy opportunity.”

Herman: Yes.

Linda: I remember, during the campaign, we did a little video called “The Water Tastes The Same.”

Herman: Yes.

Linda: [chuckles] I'd like you to share a little bit about that with our listeners. For those, if you haven't heard it, we did discuss this a bit in previous episodes of the podcast called Behind the Scenes with Herman Cain. So, you might want to listen back to that. But for those who maybe haven't listened or understand what we mean when we say the water tastes the same, could you share your childhood story about that?

Herman: Sure. When I was a little boy about the age of eight, my brother was about six. My mother went shopping at the local department store and because she was stretching every dollar, she shopped in the bargain basement. One day, my mother took these two little boys, eight and six, with her. She was shopping and there were a lot of people in the store, not a lot of people in the bargain basement that day. So, my brother and I, we saw water fountains. So, we said, “Mom, can we go and get a drink of water?” My mother said, “Yes. But make sure you drink from the color fountain,” because they had a fountain marked color, not black, color, and another marked white.

My brother and I go over and we took a sip of the water from the fountain marked color. Then, we looked around and saw that nobody was watching, so we both decided one of us will be on the lookout while the other one tastes the water from the white fountain. We both did that without being caught, now that we had a sip from the color fountain. We looked at each other and said, “The water tastes the same.” We were not taught segregation. We didn't know why there was two different water fountains. We were too young. Our parents never emphasized it. Yes, there were certain precautions that they taught us as we were growing up. But we weren't taught discrimination. We weren't taught barriers. We weren't taught that was a reason there was two water fountains. We really didn't know until we got older and found that it was a part of-- at that time, a part of our society and that was the way things were. Water tastes the same is a story that I'll never forget because it is a true story.

Linda: Right. It's just so true universally, no matter where you live, no matter what the color of your skin, there are universal equalizers for all of us. I just want to salute you and so many others, whether they're women, or people of color, whatever that have been minorities that have risen and have defied some of the cultural norms of the day, which good or bad whatever they were, have defied and then able to rise. So, thank you for showing people throughout the world really, that you don't have to have limitations. The color of your skin or your economic background, you grew up very poor, really, your father worked three jobs and your mother worked to support the family. I know it was a big deal when they finally got their own home and it's just an amazing journey that you've had but this is so true for so many people.

Right now, in our culture, there's so many that feel that it should be handed to them, that we are entitled. We see these riots and the autonomous zones that I mentioned earlier and this cancel culture where we can't say certain things. We don't have our freedom of speech because people will shut us down. What's your recommendation for people who see this happening? I believe that there is a silent majority out there that most people in this country overwhelmingly want law and order. They overwhelmingly support and live out equality for all. They overwhelmingly want a strong economic system that is based in private enterprise and in business-friendly policies. They overwhelmingly want to support the constitution and everything our Founding Fathers provided for us in our great founding documents. But they are a silent majority now. What would you say to them?

Herman: Well, I understand why some people are silent. They're not as outspoken as you or I. I would say to them, find those platforms where they can express their views. Secondly, I would say, make sure you vote. See the other thing that the anarchists and the left, the things that they are trying to do, is to discourage people from voting. Know who you’re voting for and what they stand for. Today, the Republicans versus the Democrats have gotten so much further apart, that it's almost becoming you're either Republican or Democrat. I have never considered myself a strict Republican. But that isn't a Democrat out there running for anything including dogcatcher that I would vote for. No, because the left has hijacked the Democrat Party. They've hijacked the Democratic Party.

I consider myself an ABC, an American Black Conservative. I'm an American first. I happen to vote for the Republican candidates. Why? Because their views better align with my views. The views I've had all my life, didn't have a party label affiliated with it. But these have been the views that I have identified with all my life. As I climb the corporate ladder, I saw those views come into more and more focus than when I was a young man. I never used any of those barriers. But the Democrat Party has been hijacked, by the far, far, far left. That's going to present a major challenge for its party leaders, especially coming up to a November presidential election.

Linda: Especially when people see the contrast between law and order and anarchy. They want to make sure their families are safe, their communities are safe. There's becoming a much clearer differentiation between the two parties. It used to be people could agree to disagree in the middle somewhere, and now it's difficult. I too always voted Republican in a sense, because I could not vote for the Democrat platform. But at the same time, I would say that extremes on either end of the spectrum create problems and so we need to really focus on what we can agree on, what is the foundation of our government, and how we support families and individuals so that everyone can be prosperous in America.

You mentioned how the left has hijacked the democrat party in a sense, and they've hijacked the media. So, I thank you so much for being a voice in media. It takes a lot of courage and bravery. But we are just really grateful for your voice.

But one of the things that you always taught us and you've taught us on the campaign and then as you've shared with the public is the SIN tactics, how the left shifts the subjects, ignores the facts, and then name calls. We see this all the time, and I point it out to people often, when they say, “Look at what they're doing, they're shifting the subject.” I said, “Well, that's what Herman Cain calls SIN tactics.” Your acronyms are always great, but explain a little bit about how we can be alert to how they shift the subject, people on both sides absolutely can do this, but ignore the facts and then the name-calling to get people off track?

Herman: Shifting the subject, let me give you an example that I saw just this morning. President Trump was getting ready to board the helicopter so he could go and get on Air Force One and go to the border. He's building that border wall like he said he was going to build it. A reporter asked him about what he said at the Tulsa rally. Were you serious? Were you joking when you said we need to slow down testing? That's shifting the subject. He was there to talk about the border wall, to talk about the improvements we've already made in terms of keeping people from just running across the border. They wanted to go back to something that was trivial, to be honest with you. That's just one example. They do that all the time, which is why the President gets so frustrated when he's trying to do a news conference. They always want to shift the subject to the minutiae.

Here's another example. The Tulsa rally, one report said that there were several thousand people there. I was there. I estimated that there were over 16,000 people there. Another guy that I ran into back to the hotel independently said that he thought it was over 16,000. When you take that and put it alongside of the fact that four million people heard the speech on YouTube, Fox News had its highest Saturday night rating in its history, eight million views. Now, what that tells me is that despite the media being hijacked or the media being biased, and they are, that the enthusiasm for this President's leadership is still very high. They want to shift the subject and worry about the nosebleed seats that were not filled.

Look at all the others. Ignore the facts. All you have to do is look at this economy before the pandemic, during the pandemic, and coming out of the pandemic now. The numbers are looking great. Do they want to talk about those numbers? No. They don't want to talk about those numbers. They want to continue to show the violence that's going on near the White House. The violence that’s going on in Seattle. So, that's ignoring the facts. The facts tell the story but they don't want to tell the correct story. Name-calling? I've been called every name in the book. Probably some that aren't even in the book.

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But as my grandfather used to say, “I does not care.” I'm going to speak my mind and I start my show every day that we post on the website, we are going to tell you the truth, give you the facts because we want you to be better informed and inspired to make the right decisions. That ties into your Prosperity 101®. That's all you're trying to do is to give people the tools to make the right decisions.

Linda: Absolutely. With the President and everything that's been going on, I'm so glad you brought up the economy. Of course, we want to talk about the economy. The economy prior to COVID-19 was booming. We were seeing historic growth that this country has never seen before. In terms of minority job growth, minority homeownership, just the amazing growth in prosperity for all segments of society is just amazing. I look forward to seeing that come back and especially after COVID having a resurgence and a more clear understanding of why we need to have our essential products manufactured here in the US and not with hostile nations, not in China, not in other nations where we have to be dependent on someone who is not our ally and friend. I just feel really thankful for one, that has been highlighted by the whole pandemic in the sense that more people now understand our need to have things made in the USA. We need to hire American, buy American, produce in America. We just can have this booming economy again. As you think about going into November, your recommendations for people as they look to helping rebuild the economy?

Herman: My recommendation is first elect the right president, elect the right governors, elect the right legislators who are going to fight for the right things for the people. It all starts at the ballot box, quite frankly. Even if they are part of that silent majority that you refer to, that still does not mean that they can take it lightly in terms of who they put in office. The President of United States is unique in several ways. He is a true leader, and he is a listener, and he is decisive. That's why so many people hate him, because he won't listen to those people that have their own political agenda. No. This President has demonstrated over and over and over that he is there to make decisions that's going to benefit the United States of America.

There's an old saying, “A rising tide lifts all boats.” I first heard that from the Late Jack Kemp. Rising tide lifts all boats. That's what this President is trying to do. Then, you have some of these people on the left who are saying, but what has he done for black people? Well, he didn't have to do anything specifically for black people. He did some things for all people, which helped black people. Now, he did target in on some things that needed to be addressed, and I'm glad that he did. They are there as evidence that not only does he try to do things to help all people, but criminal justice reform is going to disproportionately help black people who went to jail for minor charges.

Back in the early 1990s, when Bill Clinton and Joe Biden was head of the Judiciary Committee when they passed three strikes and you're out and it didn't turn out the way they thought it was going to turn out. They thought it was going to be a deterrent to crime. No, it wasn't. It put people in jail for minor offenses and did not give the judges the flexibility to use some common sense. What President Trump did was, he passed Criminal Justice Reform in order to give those judges some flexibility on minor crimes. He went one step further. He went back and looked at a lot of people that had been stuck in jail for 15 and 20 years based upon a minor crime and he pardoned some of them. Well, he got beat up about that. Well, why is he pardoning them?

Look, I tell people this all the time. You can be a critic all you want, but you're not the president. [chuckles] You're not the leader. The media thinks that they can tell this president what to do. They can't tell him what to do. He is not influenced by their biased opinion, which is why so many people are enthusiastic about him. You should have been at that Tulsa rally. It was truly electric. It truly was electric. This was my fourth rally. This was my fourth one and all of them had that same level of electricity. But what does the media like to do? They like to shift the subject and pick out one little thing that they want to use over and over and over. He was describing his experience at West Point. And I'm saying to myself, watch this comeback as a newsreel that they're going to show over and over and over with him taking little baby steps because they had this ramp that he had on another shoes and they didn't have any rails. They focus on that. They focus on him sipping the water explaining why he doesn't want to drip it on his tie and when he threw the glass. They focus on the most trivial stuff. That's unfortunate. But what's fortunate is many people that think for themselves whether they're silent or not silent, they're not losing that enthusiasm for his leadership.

Linda: Yes. When you talk about rallies being electric, I've been to some Trump rallies and they are, but my favorite rally like that was your announcement rally at Centennial Olympic Park, May 21st 2011, when you announced that you were running for President. We had been working so hard on that and putting it together, and it was just such an exciting time. But that to me, I feel like our campaign set the table, shall I say, for a businessman in the White House. We had 15,000 people that gathered that Centennial Olympic Park. Some estimates were 21,000-- 15,000 to 21,000, whatever. We had the largest political rally, I think, in American history at that point for a black conservative presidential candidate. They came from all over. It was really put together in a short amount of time without the same level of social media that we have now. But honestly, that was electric. Again, the media shifted the subject, ignored the facts, and name-called it through that, but we still rose. Your policies really resonated with people.

You talked about Donald Trump being decisive. You talked about him being someone who looked at all the facts and takes in things. I've heard from people who work with him closely with him that he likes to bring in opposing points of view so he can hear it all and then make his decisions. I know that's how you are too. I would say that's how a good businessperson is. What's the aerial view in a sense, and then they can make a decision. Go ahead, what were you going to say?

Herman: Speaking of the aerial view, let's go back to that announcement when I was going to run for president. Some people may not be familiar with the landscape in Atlanta. But Centennial Olympic Park is where we held my announcement of me running for president. And you're right, we were hoping we get a few thousand people there. We got 15,000. Now, CNN can see that park out of this window. They didn't have one camera there. They didn't do one story about it. You have 15,000 people down there that were excited and all of that. CNN showed its bias by not even covering the event. I'm from Atlanta. They live in Atlanta. They could see the rally and they still wouldn't report on it, which shows their bias. I'm not mad at CNN for that, because the campaign took off anyway, without them. They could have been a part of it taking off, but they chose not to be a part of it. Needed to insert that because you were bringing that up and I was very proud of that announcement. Very proud of the people that turned out. I've run into people all over the country now who still remember that. They still remember coming to Atlanta to be a part of that announcement.

I agree with you on this point. My candidacy set the stage for a businessman to be in the White House. I'm very proud of that. The other thing that announcement rally showed was that regular, ordinary people were hungry for something else other than politics as usual, that's what got President Trump elected. And that's why I, along with many, many other people who are working so hard to try and get him reelected. I know you got the Trump haters out there that are trying to help not get him elected, because they don't want to see the strong leadership that he is exerting. But I happen to believe that because of the enthusiasm that was shown at that Tulsa rally, that was encouraging to me. It was very encouraging because not just the people that showed up for the rally, but the people who listened to the speech on YouTube and the people who watched it on TV was a good thing.

Linda: Absolutely. When we were meeting with you to ask you to run for President and telling you we can take you to number one, which I alluded to earlier, the thing that I remember feeling so much as I traveled the country was America wanted a Herman Cain. America wanted a businessman in the White House. I do believe that America still wants a businessman in the White House. Someone who understands the economics.

I believe Donald Trump looked at it like a failing company, like let's turn this around. Never before has there been a president who works for free. He doesn't even take his salary in a sense.

Herman: He gives all of his salary away.

Linda: Here, you have someone who was a billionaire before coming into office, gives away the money, and loses money by being president in a sense, but we should worry more about the people who have nothing to speak of before coming into office and then suddenly they become really rich. People need to look at all sides of this.

But I would say too, as you think about what we can do with Prosperity 101®, I remember when we were doing workshops together a lot before and we've talked with audiences together quite a bit, you always said, “Your voice and your vote are your two weapons.” I tell people become informed, become involved, and that is how you can be impactful. You've always said that you can be impactful by using your voice and your vote.

But we have to make sure that people get the full picture and that people understand that private businesses are really the driver of the economy because without that, the government can't function, people can't function, taxes don't get paid. Now that all these businesses are closed, we're looking at cutbacks in so many areas-- that local communities have to cut back because they don't have the tax base. People don't think about that when they just panic or when they just generalize things. They don't think about the trickle-down effect. Whether it was our 9-9-9 policy or other policies that we promoted on the campaign or that we help to promote now, I know that you and I, and many others, look at what's the long-term effect of this policy. As we look at COVID shutdowns and the economic impact of that, this is going to be felt for a long time. But if we bring back private business, we allow people to reopen, we bring back that same enthusiasm. We bring manufacturing back to the US. All of that, we can boom again, probably even more so than pre-COVID. Do you agree?

Herman: Yeah, I would agree because what the whole pandemic caused Americans to do was to realize just how much they took for granted their lifestyle. A lot of things are going to be different now. They have to be different because we've never experienced a pandemic like this for 100 years. So, there are certain things that are going to change forever. There will be no such thing as getting back to the old normal. No, that will be a new normal. A new normal dictated by things that we have to do to make sure that we are not hit by a pandemic like this again, a new normal based upon the digital space that's out there. The digital space is going to continue to grow. It's not going to shrink. Patterns that we use for shopping and eating, they're going to be a little different. Some people are going to do more takeout and we already see that with a lot of restaurants now. The takeout didn’t make up 100% of the business that they've lost inside. But it's certainly, for the ones that I have surveyed in my little limited focus group. It certainly did make up for a lot of it. So, you're absolutely right.

With businesses coming back to the United States, it's a wake-up call that we just took it for granted that those countries were going to be kind to us forever. We now know that they are not. Yes, we might have to pay a little bit more to make it here in the United States. But you know what? We become masters of our own destiny. I think that's been one of the big valuable lessons that has come out of this very bad pandemic situation.

Linda: Absolutely. Yeah. Helping America become the master of our own destiny. That's really-- as we look at Prosperity 101® or anything that we've done politically together or individually, it's always been to elevate the individual and promote freedom. As we close, I would just like to ask you, is there anything you'd like to share with the listeners, any closing statements about how to become informed, involved, and impactful?

Herman: Information is power. It helps to mobilize your voice and it helps to mobilize your vote. We now have various ways of getting information and the materials that you develop is one of those ways, but it can't just stop with the employer. The employee has to take some responsibility. I know that people have become complacent about reading a lot, they usually get their sound bites from several sources that they might see on TV or Twitter. I'm sitting at the Tulsa rally, and I'd sent out a couple of Twitter pictures, and they literally blew up. People were interested in what was going on, even though they were sitting at home watching it. We have so many different ways to get information today that we should take advantage of some of those ways that we get information. Information is power. Learn and get as much information, however you get it, as much as you possibly can.

Linda: Right. I like to remind people to filter that information through a lens that is based on truth. Look at what made this country great. Our founding documents are really what sets us apart from other countries in the world. If we take information in, how does that correspond to our rights that are afforded to us in the Constitution? Are they pro-individual rights? Or, do they limit our rights? We really need to look at that. So, I think an awareness of that and almost like an educational rebirth, shall I say, of those things is very, very important. I know that's one thing I'm trying to do, is just make people aware.

I've asked young people, if you've never read the Constitution, how do you know that when you go to vote, you're not voting for someone who is going to vote away your constitutional rights? And they've often looked at me like, “Wow, I don't know. I never thought about that.” So, I think with all of what we're doing, we're just trying to help people have the information. You've often said, if people have the right information, they will make the right decisions. They understand how it impacts their personal life and their freedom.

Your voice and your vote are two weapons that you can use to impact society. Don't be taken in by the SIN tactics of people on any side where they shift the subject, ignore the facts and name-call. And don't forget to tune in starting June 27th on Newsmax. Thank you, Mr. Cain, for your friendship, for your participation in this podcast, and for your steadfast service and commitment to help keep America free. Thank you.

Herman: Thank you, Linda. Enjoyed it.

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