July 15, 2020

Minority. Woman. Business Owner. How Does Her Belief in American Exceptionalism Guide Her Success? - with Corina Morga [Ep. 27]

Minority. Woman. Business Owner. How Does Her Belief in American Exceptionalism Guide Her Success? - with Corina Morga [Ep. 27]

Corina Morga is a Native American and Hispanic woman who owns and operates C. R. Services, a successful business in the construction industry. She is also the founder of BmoreLatina, a non-profit organization that helps promote economic independence and empowerment for women and children through understanding how to navigate paths to success and to appreciate the understanding of American Exceptionalism and the blessings of freedom, opportunity, and upward mobility that our country provides.

Listen as she shares with Linda how she broke through glass ceilings and stereotypes and hear her recommendations for business leaders who care about their employees, their communities, and their freedoms.  

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Linda J. Hansen: Welcome and thank you for joining us for this episode of the Prosperity 101 - Breakroom Economics podcast. My name is Linda J. Hansen, the creator of the Prosperity 101 - Breakroom Economics program. We seek to connect boardroom to breakroom by empowering and encouraging employers to educate employees about the public policy issues that affect their jobs. We believe this will lead to greater employee loyalty, engagement, and retention, and to an increased awareness of the blessings and responsibilities of living in a free society. Join us each week to hear from our exciting guests and visit us at prosperity101.org.

Thank you for joining us today. Today, I have a wonderful guest, Corina Morga, has now become a new friend. We were introduced by a mutual acquaintance and while we've not met in person, we have enjoyed getting to know each other and I know that all of our listeners will enjoy hearing from Corina as well.

Corina Morga is the founder and president of CR Construction Services based in Baltimore, Maryland. Corina’s passion for helping people is reflected in all her efforts and is fueled by the desire to support those in need. She supports the local community as a small business owner, and nonprofit founder of Bmore Latina. Her organization was inspired by helping disadvantaged women and children build economic independence and empowerment through understanding how to navigate the path to success achieved by upward mobility of the American Dream through entrepreneurship.

Her business serves the construction industry and the developing real estate economy in Baltimore and surrounding areas. As a compassionate business owner, she understands the success of building a business is achieved by demonstrating leadership and to support the community.

In 2016, she won the title Woman of the Year for the Leukemia Lymphoma Society. She is also the Vice-Chairman of the Maryland Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. After working in corporate sales in Washington, DC, Ms. Morga settled back in Baltimore and started CR Services as a commercial residential cleaning company. Her company has since expanded into offering customized construction services, labor and workforce services in the energy segment and around.

Corina received her undergraduate degree from Towson University in 2006. Currently, she is an entrepreneurship MBA graduate student at Johns Hopkins Carey Business School, which supports her entrepreneurial spirit and her credo concept of doing business with humanity in mind. With that introduction, I'd like to welcome Corina Morga.

Corina Morga: Thank you so much, Linda. That was a very nice intro. Appreciate you. I've enjoyed our conversations and I've enjoyed meeting with you and speaking about things that we love so much and having so much passion behind it. I much welcome this opportunity to be on your podcast today.

Linda: Oh, well, thank you so much. I love to highlight entrepreneurs who have a heart for their community, who love promoting American ideals. You have said that your company philosophy is stemmed from American exceptionalism. I'd like you to just share with our listeners why that is so special to you. I mean that ties into your own background, your family's background. I know you have many military members in your family, you have minority roots, and I just would love our listeners to get to know you a little bit.

Corina: Yeah. American exceptionalism is something I fear that we're going away from as a culture and a society. As you mentioned, my mother's Native American. We can talk about the disparities there all you want. But her saving grace I would say was, when she joined the military. Having been born into nothing and the opportunity to serve, she was able to travel, she met my father, and she started her family, she moved across the country. She always said it gave her an education, it paid for her bachelor's. She went on to pursue her master's through corporate America, but I can save that story for later.

My sister, who is a captain in the Air Force presently, followed in the same footsteps as my mother. I was a little bit of a black sheep in a sense that I went to college instead of joining the Marine Corps, which is what I really wanted to do. But 9/11 happened, and then I got scared. So, that's not what a Marine does. So, it's probably good that I didn't join the force. But I have marine family members. I have a cousin who just graduated from the Naval Academy. So, there's a lot of appreciation for what the military, and all it stands for, has done for creating the opportunity. I think that has really been a big part of my foundation and my drive.

And then, as a Hispanic, we see that next wave. We're no longer going to be the minority. There is going to be-- you see a lot of similarities in Hispanic culture and with this idea of American exceptionalism, and I'm sort of the living proof of all of that.

So, that's where it all originated, but it's a part of my identity. The beautiful thing about it is, I would say, that it's encompassing of anybody can have that identity. The American exceptionalism, they can be a part of that. It's not exclusive. It's separate from the politics of current day, but it still stands very true that anybody who wants to strive and take advantage of opportunity, build and achieve, and have dreams, and if you're ambitious, you can do that. You can do that here in the United States. I think that's a powerful narrative. We can't let it be lost.

Linda: Yeah. Excellent. You mentioned your Native American and Hispanic roots and that in itself being a minority business owner, but you're also a woman. I have talked with some female business owners who've said, at times, being a woman was almost more challenging than having race issues. Could you explain your experience there? Especially in the construction industry. I'm sure you've had more than one raised eyebrow when you started the business.

Corina: Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh. The stereotypes are real. It's okay. My mom really prepped me for the woman in the workforce mentality, as she is a byproduct of General Motors, which is clearly a male-dominated industry in manufacturing. She would run plants in Ohio, Indiana. She started on the assembly line, which is funny. She was always in a male-dominated atmosphere, whether that's her boss, people that she had to manage, people who wouldn't take her authority seriously because she's a woman. These were all lessons that I learned throughout her growing up and she was a single mom. So, she really prepped me for that. I really have no fear walking into a room, whether it's a table of CEOs or a bunch of men sitting on the C-suite or at a board or if it's on a construction site with a bunch of men who are just spitting and yelling absurdities, and then being however they are. None of that is a deterrent.

I would say the obstacle that I face as a woman is the constant being put in a box, especially in construction, and the double whammy there is I'm a woman, I'm Hispanic. So, there's a lot of narrative at least for cultures that do not have a long history of Hispanic populations, generations per se. So [unintelligible [00:09:06] like New York or Miami with Cubans or out west with Mexican Americans, because we all know that used to be like Mexico. But there are middle states that they think Latino and Hispanic and they think immigration, or you don't speak English, or you're not formally educated through this system. When I walk on a construction site and I start talking to somebody, they're like, “Oh, yeah, you speak English?” [laughs] I'm like, “Yes, I do.” And then, I will talk about something that will just totally throw them off.

I think there's two ways you can approach it. You can be offended. Like, “Why would you assume such a thing? How dare you?” My mom always taught me is that we're all different. We're all byproducts of how we were raised, our cultures, and our environment. So naturally, if you have not been exposed to Hispanic American, Native American women-owned business, and it's rare, you are going to have a predetermined bias there. It comes from a place of innocence. It doesn't come from a place of malice. I can't label you a racist for something that you just didn't know, versus you knowing that I'm a certain way and then putting me in the box and taking the disadvantage away for me. I think that's the difference when it comes to the race part and the discrimination in the workplace.

I won't say all the time, but most of the time, once people do get to know me, and I think it's great like in a business setting, because you were able to prove yourself in a time of need, like you want my service, so I'm going to execute on my service. Usually, I have to do that first. You always have to prove yourself first in business. Once you do that, you've earned your street cred. At that point, you can say, “Yes, this is the diverse background that I come from,” or, “Here's how I am much different than you, that I do speak English. I'm educated, I can articulate. I can do many things.”

But sometimes, none of that really matters in the instant, in the moment when we're all trying to get the job done. I think you can't read into certain initial interactions and make judgments so quickly. I think that you will fall into a vicious trap that will create a mentality that will be challenging to really keep your mind open to understanding where other people are coming from, which is the ultimate goal. We’re trying to be open and honest and understanding of others who are different than us. Sometimes, it's just really hard to do that when you make presumptions right off the bat.

Linda: Good point. Congratulations to you for achieving such a level of success with your business, but also for your boldness. You mentioned that you were maybe a little too afraid to be a Marine. Well, there's all types of courage and it's been very bold as a Native American-Hispanic woman to enter into the construction industry, it's a whole different type of bravery, and I'm sure you would have been a great Marine. [chuckles]

Corina: Thanks.

Linda: But thank you for redefining certain people's stereotypes. The way that we break through these things is by being authentic and honest and genuine and showing what is truth. You have shown through your own life what is truth in terms of-- it does not matter whether you're male or female or whether your skin is whatever color. What matters is the character of the person and the interactions that you have with other people and your heart. You have just poured out your heart and your love for your community for other people and things through your business, and through your volunteer work. Thank you for being that leader and that example. I'm sure that anybody who's listening is inspired. But also for all the people that are around you, in your daily life, whether it's your employees, which we talk a lot about employer-to-employee relations and communication with employees, but also just all the people you interact with, what an inspiration you are. I'm inspired. You're amazing.

Corina: Aww, thanks. I think I do too much, but I have a lot of passions, I can just say that. I'm very grateful for the life that I've been given, the opportunities essentially, that I've been given. When I self-reflect sometimes, I think it's easy to fall into certain traps of the disadvantages that I was maybe not given. My mom-- I'll refer to my mom a lot in this segment because she pretty much is the major foundation to my perspective and my ideologies in life. She sent me to Europe on a school trip when I was 16. I didn't know what I was doing, but she knew the importance of traveling and experiencing other cultures and learning about life that was much different than mine because she was born into the terribles, whatever.

Ever since then, I've always had this-- it set like a fire inside me to learn more and to absorb as much as I can from as many people as I can. And to self-reflect and to put them on where do I fit in this mold, in this really big world? Where do I fit? I think that's an ongoing process. I'm only 36, so I feel like I'm still learning a lot. But I get excited about a lot of things and I'm not afraid to say how I feel. Sometimes, if you don't agree with that, I'm sorry, but I'm kind of not sorry because I'm going to keep saying it. [chuckles]

Linda: Yeah. Sorry, not sorry. You have chosen through your passions and your love of people and everything to give back to your community. I'd like you to share with our listeners a little bit about your work with the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, but also about the foundation, Bmore Latina. Could you explain what you do with both of those organizations?

Corina: Certainly. Bmore Latina was my first dream before wanting to be a business and I wanted to save the world. But you can't do that-- yeah, you can't do that without feeding yourself. So, I had to figure it out what to do. When I started my business, I had no idea what I was doing. But I knew I was giving people jobs, which was step one. And then, because it was in this cleaning space, I had to-- I noticed that before I hired anybody, I started this company by myself. I essentially left corporate America. I went to Honduras to go teach English because I was miserable working for corporate America. When I came back, I wanted to go to law school because I wanted to go into international law and just change these countries and this world and I thought the way we teach people's lives is through law. Man, was I wrong about all of that!

I took the LSATs seven times didn't get in. I got a conditional acceptance, but that's another story for another day. Someone said, “Why don't you just start a business? You speak English, you speak Spanish.” I said, “Okay.” I, again, didn't know what I was doing. Sent an email to a bunch of my friends up in Harford County, which is a rural county here in Maryland, where I moved from California to, and I have great friends and family network there. I asked them if I can learn how to clean their house, scrub the toilet. I figured I couldn't train anybody if I didn't know how to do it myself. My mom always taught me that. If you're going to be somebody's boss, you better know how to do their job because if you have to get rid of them to make things run efficiently, you need to be able to step in if you have to. I did that.

I did that for six months. I cleaned my friends' toilets and it's a very humbling, humbling time of my life. [chuckles] But eventually, that’s the point where I was hiring people. I had a group of girls that Hispanic women that I support that have been with me from day one. I noticed that they had so many needs that I couldn't provide to them as a company that were outside of monetary needs. Of course, we all need to make money and everything and they did, but they needed more. In business, you learn, you can't give. If the company's not making a profit, you can't give. So, I started the 501, Bmore Latina, and it wasn't to collect donations or anything like that, mot monetary at least. It was to offer a tax write-off, my going back to my friends who helped and support me. When they were getting rid of things that they no longer needed for their children, for from their house, downsize. Maybe a lot of my friends' parents became empty-nesters, so they would unload maybe like a five-bedroom house and want their furniture to go to someplace.

That's where the idea of Bmore Latina came from. So, I would just essentially donate these goods to these families. I would go through Baltimore and I would deliver furniture or give them baby clothes or buy them diapers at Costco that really saved the day there with the girls. I introduced them to Costco Buy In Bulk when you have a lot of kids. It was these kinds of things that the idea for both Bmore Latina came about. It kind of came back to me twofold, because then not only was I able to give them jobs, but now I was able to supplement some of the things that they need that I think should come from your heart. I don't want to be mandated to help you, I want to be able to be genuinely and passionate about helping you. I want to be able to do it in my own way. That's where all that stemmed from. So, that's where Bmore Latina originated.

Then, a couple years later, I was introduced to the Maryland Hispanic Chamber of Commerce through a mutual friend. As I mentioned, here, Maryland, the majority of the Hispanic population in Maryland is an immigrant population. So, there are a lot of resources that are needed in that capacity. Me not being an immigrant but also being Hispanic and being able to relate and working with a population, I felt there was a fit there. When I joined the organization, our previous president, Jorge Castillo, he is an immigrant from Peru. He's so educated, and I was very inspired by him. Then, under his leadership and Juan Barbaran’s leadership, who was the VP at the time, I learned a whole-- it opened up my eyes about some of my biases that I had being with them. So, I said, “I've got to be a part of this team.”

When I had the opportunity to interview with Jorge, it was one of those, “Hey, let's go grab coffee and see if this is going to be mutually beneficial situation for us.” I was so inspired by the leadership at the time of the chamber and I said, “Oh my God, I have to be involved.” I tried to sell myself to them. I did everything that I could, like what can I do? From there, I've been able to learn so much. I have created partnerships through-- We worked with a division of Under Armour. We do a lot of work with banks and a lot of other Hispanic Latino organizations. Now, we are building out more of an international capacity with Sister States programs under the Maryland Sister States program. So, there's a lot of moving parts and we're really excited about what we're all doing there. We've built out a new team. We're still in a transition phase, but it's really exciting to see the diversity under even the Hispanic Chamber and how it's all coming together. And I fully support all of it.

Linda: Oh, that's so exciting. I really commend you for taking your passions and serving your community in so many different ways. People often think that business owners just are so selfish or they're just in it to make money or whatever. But you brought up a good point that unless your business is making a profit, you cannot share. So, for a lot of us, we want to be successful so we can give back. We have more to give and more to share with people and more resources to support programs and organizations that really empower individuals and help them rise. And this is all through private enterprise in a sense.

We talked a little bit before recording about the limitations of government, and how we really can't depend on government for these things. These are things that are best utilized and best delivered through private resources and private enterprise. I say in every episode, I think that government has nothing until we give it to government first. The way that wealth is created, or prosperity is really created, is through empowering the private sector. Successful businesses, which create a good solid tax base, successful businesses which employ more and more people to help families and individuals rise and be prosperous. At the heart of America are successful businesses and small business owners, such as yourself, are really collectively the largest employer in the country.

Corina: According to the SBA, I'm pretty sure we're about 47% of the workforce or we employ 47% of the workforce, something to that tune.

Linda: Yeah, it's just amazing. You have brought some really great passions to not only your company, but to these organizations. I'd like to just touch a little bit-- I know we talked briefly before the recording, just a little bit about current events. For those, I don't know when people will be listening to this, but right now in America, there's a lot of people trying to erase history. They're trying to erase things that have happened in the past by tearing down statues or thinking that if we just take away that physical reminder that it's somehow erases history. I'm of the belief that we should not do that because we can learn from history and we should not look at history just through the lens of today, but we need to understand what was happening at the time. Everything that happened in the past has brought us to where we are today, where we've lived in a society, where we are in a society, where a woman with Native American and Hispanic background can open and run a successful business and be someone who is a leader in her community. This wouldn't have happened hundreds of years ago. But we're so thankful for all the people who came before us.

You mentioned a little bit-- we were talking before the broadcast, just about Christopher Columbus and with your Native American background, I loved what you said. Would you mind sharing with our listeners some of what your thoughts are on that because a lot of people are thinking, they should tear down statues of Christopher Columbus.

Corina: I read an article by Thomas Sowell, who is an intellectual [unintelligible [00:26:41] at the Hoover Institution [unintelligible [00:26:44] a profound mind. When you read about the whole concept of tearing down the statues, to sympathize with the movement, one can easily make the logical assumption, “You bring me pain. This is a reminder of pain. Let us remove this reminder of pain.” All of that makes sense to an extent. I always say I hope the Native Americans don't wake up one day and I hope there isn't this Native American uprising movement when people actually care about Native Americans. And we say we need to take down every statue, white, black, everything because it's too painful for me to walk around and live my every day with these statues. I really hope that that never happens. This is coming from somebody who grew up with a cultural identity of being a Native American.

Again, this is an opinion piece. So, for me, it makes no sense to compare the realities of 1492 with Christopher Columbus when he was revered as a man who discovered a new world and at one point, it was profound and it almost was revolutionary. Then all of a sudden, we're taking him out of context, and we're making putting him in present-day 2020 and now we're saying, he's a bad man, when he at that time was a hero. It's not appropriate. I think it's unjust. Now if, present day, somebody did something horrible and then we started to glorify them, then yeah, that's a different argument, but to the removal of something at one point was seen as something that's completely different now then how we are interpreting the events is not fair.

Linda: You bring up a very good point about how we can't really look at it through our current lens. I often think too as history has been rewritten a lot in our nation more recently or people are trying to change history to meet their narrative, shall I say? Bottom line, none of us were there. None of us were there at that first Thanksgiving. None of us were there when Columbus first arrived. We weren't there. But I look back and I think, well, over the course of time for hundreds of years now, that was someone like you said he was revered as a hero. Why was that? If we just look at it from the lens of today, that's not necessarily wise.

We need to talk and say, well, what were the good and bad things and how can we learn from that? Things that we can take to make us better and there's things that we can take and say, “Whoa, we never want to go there because that's not a value or an action that we want to carry into the future.” So, we can learn. It doesn't matter, I should say, what the past was, the past is the past. We need to take that and decide to move forward. One of my friends and guests on the podcast too, Herman Cain, he often says, “Stop dreaming about a better yesterday.” We can't go backwards, we have to go forward. So, I just think that that's great.

You have a really great attitude as a minority person and someone who looks at it through the big picture. You realize that, yes, there has been prejudice in the past. Yes, some people do come from that place now. But that isn't necessarily always evil. They might be just unaware and just the way that you have shattered stereotypes where people have probably done more to erase any kind of racial discrimination or misunderstanding than any type of violent uprising. Because the people who do what you do and impact communities, whether you're a woman, a man, whether you're black, white, any color, it's like when we can show capabilities-- You said before, the proof is in the results. We have to get that street cred. We can dispel stereotypes. We can show that, “Hey, we can be unified and together.” This is really important. Again, I said it before, but I salute you for being brave enough to enter into an industry that maybe wasn't so welcoming at first, but you really are a great example for all of us.

Corina: My mother married a black man. We moved into a white neighborhood. I was half-Hispanic, half-Native American. There's all these lot of labels. I went to a school that I was like one of two Hispanic and maybe like, there's probably five black kids and I was friends with all them. I knew all them at least, and my mom, she was [unintelligible [00:32:12]. But I was also friends with the white people too. It's not Fosston’s fault that there wasn't more diversity there. It's not the families that have grown and have been raised there that this is the life that they know, that more African American people or more Hispanic people haven't gotten to that part yet. They haven't gotten to that region yet. It's not their fault. Will I say that there are biases? Well, of course, we're humans. We are not perfect beings and we're never going to be.

When we put this in the context of generations, we're not living the era of Martin Luther King in the sense that you see the massive injustice bestowed upon African Americans at the time. I'm not here to say that racism doesn't exist. Of course, it exists, and it exists in all forms. To be quite honest, I don't know that it's ever really going to go away because we are flawed as humans. The only thing that we can do is try to be a more perfect self and hold ourselves accountable for our own actions. We can only do that within the context that we know.

I read the American Girl books when I was little, and my favorite character was Addy, the black girl. And I loved that story. I never saw race. I never saw things as a black and white issue. I never saw things as a race issue. I saw things as a humanity issue, and the injustices bestowed upon humanity and what we do to each other. Now, can I look back when I moved to Harford County into a certain neighborhood and did I get that stare when I moved in with a black man? Sure did. Did I get that uncomfortable feeling when we were out in public as a family? I sure did. But my mom taught me to not pay mind to that attitude. You feel them, you feel that attitude, you feel that mentality, you're giving them the power over you, and you're not giving yourself the power to ignore and to rise above, to overcome, to empower, to really change the narrative and change the minds. If you have to be able to do that as an individual before, you can change anybody else's mind. You're limiting yourself, if you're letting that affect you, if you're letting that mentality affect you.

Now, maybe somebody else has a different perspective on this. Again, this is an opinion piece. But I think we all have the ultimate goal of addressing these disparities and addressing these issues. We want the real story. We want you to be vulnerable. I want you to tell me how you feel, what was it like, and what I can do to be better. But in the context of truth, not in the context of falsehood. Just because you have your experience, remember that doesn't necessarily make it a truth. That is something that we all need to be mindful of. We all come from different experiences. It's your personal experience, but you can't project that onto the world as if that's the way the world is because it's just not.

Linda: It's just not. You brought up a really good point and you've mentioned your mother a quite a few times. For one, as a mom and grandma, it gives me great encouragement to just be reminded of what impact we have on our children. But as employers, we have impact on those who are under us too. So, whether we're mothers, whether we're fathers, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, one life impacts another. With Prosperity 101, I'm always trying to help employers create a better communication with employees, to help people really understand the foundations of prosperity, which you alluded to with your company founding. You said the company philosophy is stemmed from American exceptionalism and you believe the foundations of prosperity that allow individuals to rise here in America, but then the policies of prosperity, different economic policies that you seek to promote through the Hispanic Chamber, the things you seek to do through your work, it's amazing. Just by your example, you're teaching your employees and others. But then also, how to protect prosperity by becoming informed, involved, and impactful.

I see you being very informed, very involved, and therefore your life is very impactful. But that is true and I just want to encourage people whether you're a mother, a father, an employer, or whoever you are that might be listening, you can see the impact Corina’s mother had on her. You can see the impact that others in business had on her and we all have a sphere of influence. If we are employers, we need to communicate with our employees. Some of these truths that Corina had talked about, we need to use share with them our belief in why we can all rise to achieve the American Dream and that it isn't dependent upon our heritage or what happened in Christopher Columbus' era or Martin Luther King's era, or anything. It depends on what we do now moving forward. We can just be so blessed that we live in a country like America where we have these opportunities.

With that, what would you say to employers who maybe have a very diverse workforce, maybe they're just starting their company or restarting after the pandemic? What would you say would be their advantage to communicate about these policies with their employees?

Corina: Oh, that's a good one. Well, I think as an employer, whether you are a small business, whether you're the CEO, whether you're the head of the board, you need to be able to have the real conversations with your employees. If that is encompassing of a painful conversation or an uncomfortable conversation, even more the reason why it needs to be had, because you have to understand that you're coming from-- as the employer and as the leader and the head of your division, you are coming from likely a totally different perspective than they are. And then, I think that initially will open up the wall of vulnerability for them for you to be able to discuss and dialogue about whatever issues are confronting them on both sides. I think it's important to be somewhat transparent. There's a reason why you're a boss, let's just say that. There's a way you have to handle certain situations that require you at leadership level that is different from an employee level. But I think you have to maintain a level of trust and respect with the people who work for you, because they are a good percentage of the reason why you're so successful, if you are a successful organization.

The biggest part to it though, I think, is the self-reflecting. You can't try to be vulnerable and open and honest with somebody, and then just dismiss it like, “Okay, that's your problem.” That’s counterintuitive and that's not really how it works. You have to be able to have an element of self-reflection. To admit if you were wrong or to anything cover that bias like I mentioned earlier, to know your faults, to know your limit. You need to know your limitations, you need to know your weaknesses, you need to know your strengths. When you are a part of an organization, sometimes you have to contrast that to somebody else's experience who you're benefiting from. I think it's really important to do that part because the first part doesn't matter if you don't do the self-reflection part.

And then, you have to build your team around you. And then, you really have to set those parameters in place where you say, “Okay, I've heard you. I acknowledge you. I hear you, and this is what we're going to do about it,” because we can talk all we want, but there's no action or-- how I feel about politics sometimes. It's like, people will placate to emotions and you'll say things that people want to hear and you get everybody all passionate and fired up. But at the end of the day, there's no action and it's not doing anything. Nothing matters. When you're at the head, when you're at the forefront, the most important thing at the end is the action, actionable item. What is the change? What is the difference? How are we going to make this better? As a better-run company? As a better-run nonprofit? As a better-run nation?

Linda: Good point. Well, I know our time has really come to a close and you've been so generous with your time today. We appreciate it. I'm sure the listeners have learned a lot from you. Maybe some of them would like to contact you in the future. Could you please give your website so they could reach out to you if they desire?

Corina: Of course. Well, first of all, I want to thank you, not only our mutual friend introducing us, but the very sincere conversations that we've had over the course of just like a week. I'm sad that we don't live closer. I think that you're right, we could spend some valuable time together, whether that's over coffee or a cocktail. But thank you for giving me a platform to voice my opinions. If you want to learn more about my company or myself, my website is www.gocrsvs.com, the construction cleaning company websites, it's not rocket science, but there's a bio on there. You can check out the Maryland Hispanic Chamber of Commerce page. I don't have a website for my nonprofit because as I said, it's not something that I'm actively out there getting donations and stuff for, it's more of like a resource for my workers.

I encourage you to follow and educate and learn and absorb as much information, especially during this time right now, because we are living in this unprecedented time. But it's a time that we can really do something about it.

Linda: Really true. Leaders will emerge. For those of us who hope to take truth and accountability and a real sense of service and love for our fellow men into the future, we are the ones who need to speak up and we need to make our voices heard. So, thank you very much for doing so. Thank you for starting that nonprofit to help others. Just to mention, I know on your website on your crsvs.us website, there is a little information under partnerships tab, which talks about Bmore Latina there, so if anyone wants more information, they can go there and there's a video of you distributing some items to a needy-- [crosstalk] Yeah.

Corina: Oh, yeah, that was a fun trip. [chuckles]

Linda: But that's what it's about. You mentioned that we all need to really take a look at ourselves and become our best. I hope that in this time after the pandemic, and while we're still in it, but we've all had to basically readjust, we've had to step back, we have to think about what's truly important and what we really want for our children, our grandchildren for the future of this nation. And you bring up some really good points about what type of influence we can have.

For those listening, we just invite you to reach out to her, reach out to me, and we thank you for your time today. Thank you, Corina, and thank you to the listeners.

Corina: Thank you all very much. God bless everyone.

Linda: Thank you again for joining us for this episode of the Prosperity 101 - Breakroom Economics Podcast. My name is Linda J. Hansen, your host and the founder and president of Prosperity 101, LLC.

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