Legalities Of Life, Liberty, And The Pursuit Of Happiness – with Susan Swift – [Ep. 186]

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Thank you so much for joining with me today life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in America. These rights have been promoted and protected, but in recent years, our ability to pursue our rights has often been hampered by government overreach and overzealous activists. How does this affect you, your family or your business? Our rights to life and free speech and other basic rights given to us by God are protected in our Constitution. But are those rights truly being protected in our great nation today? My guest today is Susan Swift. Susan is a lawyer, author and mother of seven. She has always been interested in politics and law, but some of you may know her from her earlier career as a child actress. But today Susan is the founder of Pro-Life Legal, a non-profit organization created to provide pro-life clinics and pregnancy care centers with legal help and support so they may safely and legally provide assistance to any woman or family facing a crisis pregnancy. Susan previously served as Director of Outreach and Engagement at the Right to Life League, America's first pro-life organization, and she has a rich career in law and politics. Susan, thank you so much for joining with me today.

Susan Swift: Well, thanks for having me on, Linda. It's really fun to be with you.

Linda J. Hansen: Thank you so well, it's you have just a great passion for people and for life, and I've been wanting to have you on the podcast for quite a while. We finally got it scheduled and I'm so glad. Yes. But there's so much happening in terms of legal issues surrounding the life issue, and I'd like to focus on how it all affects businesses, families and communities. A lot of times, people don't think about the ripple effect of what we see in the headlines. So when you think about your pro-life activism and what you've learned over the years in the legal realm of the life issue, what would you say is the biggest effect that the legalization of abortion has had on businesses, communities, and families?

Susan Swift: Well, I would have to say that we already know from the numbers that are available. And we also know that the abortion industry hides the numbers because some states don't report them. But we do know that at least 63 million Americans have been killed through abortion since abortion became a constitutional right under Roe versus Wade. So there are 63 million people who aren't here in America. That affects employment in a variety of ways. That means we don't have someone to hire. That means people aren't there to go into classes. That means that consumers aren't there to buy certain products. We're seeing currently an influx across our border of many more workers, whether they're legal or illegal, but they're coming in to fill a void. Well, how did that void get started? I would argue that at least in some part, abortion created a vacuum that has driven the need to import cheap labor. So that's hurting America. It's hurting families, and it's also taking advantage and hurting people who are coming here for work, even illegally, because they're having to make a very dangerous trek and stay under the radar. Maybe they're fearful because they're coming here to try to support their families, but they're being paid under the table or the laws are not applied to them. So the ripple effect of abortion goes through, I think, almost every aspect of an employer's scope, really.

I mean, as I said, it's even affecting our border issues because I think both parties have always championed the idea of immigration as a solution for labor problems. Whichever side of the aisle you're on, one side will accuse the other that you're just profiting off of cheap labor, and the other side will say, yeah, you're just using them to get into labor organizations, to pressure companies. But either way you look at it, instead of having Americans who've been born here over the last 50 years, we have fewer and fewer people that have been raised in America with the work ethic, the common culture, all of that. That is part of what it means to be an American and to value work, the hard work ethic that we as Americans have been taught for generations since we came here. That was the founding of America. You wanted to come to be free from government because we believe that our rights come from God, not government. That was the founding of our country and that you can be independent, and you should be independent from government. Government's not there to be your mother and your father. Government is there only to kind of make sure that the borders are secure. It's not happening. Govern the mail a little bit and maybe keep a militia in case we have to defend ourselves from aggressors. That was what it was supposed to be, but now we're seeing an increase of people coming from socialist countries and they understand a socialist mindset, which is you go to the government for everything. You rely on the government.

The government is the pass-through for all of your life benefits. And that is a fundamental shift in what our republic and the American Republic is all about. And it starts with the individual. Am I a creature created by God with my own inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Or am I a child of the state? Am I just owned by the state? Am I a ward of the state? And so that the state has rights over me. And we're seeing that shift play out in the political realm. But I think it all started 50 years ago with Roe versus Wade declaring the false right, the fake right, that abortion was somehow legal in our Constitution. I'm very grateful that the Dobbs decision reversed that and now at least has corrected the error that there is no such thing as a constitutional right to kill an unborn baby. So that's a good thing. But I think it's affected probably every aspect of our job market and of our culture.

Linda J. Hansen: I'm so glad you brought up the fact that it was a fake right. It wasn't really a right, even though in the beginning of the episode you mentioned that the quote-unquote constitutional right to abortion. But it really isn't because it was unconstitutional and the doc's decision never legitimate.

Susan Swift: It was a created fabricated by the court. I think even Ruth Bader Ginsburg disagreed with it and said, oh, this was a very bad decision because it fabricated a right out of nothing, out of a political convenience. And I am very, very grateful for the decision that Justice Alito penned that, corrected that and went through the history. And if people haven't read it, I think it's long. It's like 75 pages. But he was incredibly meticulous about going through the history of the United States, from all of the states, to document that there never was any support for the notion of a constitutional right to abortion. It's fake. The Roe versus Wade was premised on a political fake argument, but now it's been reversed, and that is a good thing. Unfortunately, the political forces have championed the notion that abortion as fundamental health care. That's a lie. Abortion is not health care. What they love to say is abortion is reproductive care. It's the exact opposite of reproduction, isn't it? Not right. If you're going to reproduce, that means you have a child and you reproduce through that activity of becoming pregnant and delivering a child. That is what reproduction is. Abortion stops that and actually ends the reproductive act. So abortion is not reproduction at all. That's a lie that Planned Parenthood and the abortion cartel have been putting out there. But that's been 50 years that we've been selling women, primarily women, on the notion that they have a right to an abortion because abortion is health care. And therefore, if someone is taking away your right to health care, they're putting you in danger.

That's the whole mantra that's going on right now. And so now it's being pitched as, I have just lost my rights. The evil people in the government, whoever you want to blame, they are taking away my fundamental right to reproductive health care. Do you see how that all and it all hangs on a lie, that abortion is somehow reproduction and that abortion is somehow reproductive care. And I'll tell you how they got there. This was Alan Gutmacher, who was a buddy of Margaret Sanger. Don't know if for anybody who doesn't know who Margaret Sanger was, she was a white Anglo Saxon Protestant who was an enamored of Hitler's eugenics program. She just thought that the best thing to do for blacks, browns, and Catholics was to make sure that they had fewer children. And out of an abundance of goodwill for these minority populations in America at the time, blacks, browns, and Catholics, she wanted to make sure that they could use contraception and then, of course, abortion to limit their numbers. So she was a eugenicist and her friend, her buddy, Alan Gutmacher, who's kind of the father of the abortion revolution, if you will, he founded the Gutmacher Institute. That's the right hand data arm. It's the investigative arm, if you will, of Planned Parenthood. And he's the one that came up with the notion that, well, abortion is health care. And that's the link that has been perpetuated all the way through a lot of these decisions. But that's where you're hearing the narrative. And now for 50 years, we have indoctrinated at least two generations of young women to believe that somehow abortion is a fundamental right and that it is some sort of like it's health care for you. Well, not the codicil.

The corollary to that would be pregnancy is dangerous. Pregnancy is a health care risk. And more than that, you're risking your life. It's dangerous, and you're going to ruin your life. You're not going to be able to get an education. You're not going to be able to have a job. You're never going to be able to find a husband if you're pregnant without being married first. And so you'll ruin your life, and you will perpetually be in poverty or a substandard person if you continue your pregnancy. So just take a pill. So just come into the clinic and we'll take care of that clump of cells. That is the marketing strategy that the abortion providers use today, the inconvenience of a human person. Because that's what a baby is now viewed that instead of something that is a new creation, a new human being, someone to be celebrated, who's going to do something wonderful, whether it's being a plumber, being an electrician, a car mechanic, a lawyer, a doctor. Maybe they're going to cure cancer or maybe they're going to just grow up and be a wonderful father and a mother. And maybe they're going to contribute to their community by owning a flower shop or doing wonderful things and reading to children in the library and babysitting and all of the things that people do, instead of looking at that new human life with all of those potentials and blessings. The abortion industry, I call it the abortion cartel. I don't think I made that up. I borrowed it. But the abortion cartel is marketing to businesses and to individuals that pregnancy is somehow dangerous and that having too many babies is bad for the economy. And yet again, we are importing people, whether legally or illegally, across the border to boost our numbers, because, in truth, our population, the American population, is in decline absent the number of people who are immigrating here. We are on the decline, just like Italy is and Japan and many other developed countries where they're having fewer than replacement rates, they're having fewer children than it takes to even maintain. And that is as an indirect result, I believe, of abortion. And that the constant messaging that you as a woman, especially as a woman, that you are less valuable if you're going to get pregnant. Oh, boy, I can't use you in the workforce. Now I've got to pay for maternity leave. Oh, no. Right. I don't want to hire and no one will say that, but they don't want to hire women who are pregnant, right, because it might hurt their bottom line. So it's absolutely topsy turvy to what our country was founded on, and it's absolutely topsy turvy to what families are created for, which is to create life and to sustain and help each other in a community. So this is the tension that's going on in our economy and in our culture, and it's all based around the lie that abortion is any form of health care, that abortion is somehow safe, and that abortion is a good thing.

Linda J. Hansen: Is a moral good.

Susan Swift: That's the other thing that they're trying to say, that abortion is somehow a moral good. When it is not. It is a moral evil.

Linda J. Hansen: It truly is. It kills a human life. I always tell people, too, abortion doesn't end a pregnancy. Abortion ends a life. Yes, a birth ends a pregnancy. And so we are created to reproduce. We are created to give birth as women, and we are created to have families. And those families create strong communities, and strong communities make for stronger businesses and stronger nations. And like you said, all these people can grow up and contribute and grow. And we've always had such a vibrant nation, and we've had strong families. And I truly believe, too, that abortion, like, demeaning the value of children in a family, demeaning the value of life and of children has really done a disservice to families. It has really brought heartbreak and pain. People don't talk about the other side of abortion. It's so promoted as, quote unquote, health care and a right, which it's neither, but the emotional pain that people go through after having an abortion, some people don't because they don't realize really what it is. But then typically, and I'm sure you can speak more to this through your experience, but I know when I've worked with post abortive women or I've helped with pro-life pregnancy centers or anything, when people start to understand what an abortion truly is, then they have a lot of guilt and shame and remorse if they've ever had an abortion.

And maybe they didn't even realize, I mean, they didn't realize that they were lied to, right? I have a friend who has had a couple of abortions and she brings it up frequently, but I always tell her, remember, guilt and shame don't come from God guilt. Shame and condemnation don't come from God. Conviction may. But there's always grace, love and forgiveness. So if you're out there and you believe the lie, say you're a listener and you have believed the lie of abortion and you are realizing, oh my gosh, I aborted my child. And you realize that that is not something you can undo. You can't go back and do it over, it's done. There is still hope and there is grace and forgiveness and there is love and there are ministries that can help you. I'm sure you could reach out to me or to Susan. We can put you in touch with people. There's ministries and organizations that can help you through that because that's a trauma, and especially once you realize that. And not only are there emotional side effects for the mother, but for the father as well, and the extended family who are also grieving the loss of a child. But there are many physical side effects to an abortion that people do not talk about. And they talk about it being safe and effective. And many times it is not safe at all. And the repercussions physically that occur for women is really harmful as well.

Susan Swift: We should explain one thing though, and why I've said that abortion is not health care, because there's a little bit of a lie in the way that people define the term abortion. Medical doctors understand that an abortion is merely a procedure. What you and I and most people in America understand abortion to be is the termination of a human being in the womb while the baby is being terminated. Doctors understand it slightly differently, which is just simply it is the removal of the wanted to what I wanted to explain to people is that abortion is never necessary to save the life of a mother. That's one of the pervasive lies that Gutmacher Institute and Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood have always been selling. It is never necessary to save the life of the mother. In the very rare cases when you're talking about an ectopic pregnancy or some other anomaly where the baby is not viable and is going to die. What you can do is remove the baby prematurely with a premature delivery, 15 weeks, 17 weeks, 22 weeks, and give that baby at least the respect that it deserves and the honor that it deserves to deliver that baby alive and perhaps give it a chance at life. Because the only thing that saves the life of the mother is removing the baby. For instance, preeclampsia ectopic pregnancy, you have to remove the little tiny fetus that is up in the fallopian tubes. And I believe there is one state I could be wrong. I believe there's one state that says at least it might be Oklahoma, that says you have to try to reimplant it in the womb in the proper place, but in any event, you can remove that.

Basically, premature delivery is what saves the life of the mother, not the killing of the baby in the womb, not chopping it up or injecting it with digoxin to stop its heart, not to exanguinate it by cutting the umbilical cord and letting it bleed out and then tearing it up in pieces and taking it out. The killing of the baby in the womb very technically is not abortion. It's the killing of the baby in the womb and then the abortion removes the pieces. So when we're talking about but that kind of distinction is lost in the argument. No one there is no one on the planet who wants to force women to die because of a challenging pregnancy, any kind of risk of I've had seven babies and I've lost three naturally, and my last baby was partial placenta previa, which is a very, very dangerous condition. And so I ended up having a C section. Well, that's a method of delivery that delivers me from the baby, rescues the baby at the same time, and everybody walks away alive and happy, right? So that's what I'm talking about is that abortion as health care is a lie. There is never a need to abort the baby and kill it in the womb to save the life of the mother. That's not true. So that's something that I don't think the mainstream media I like to call it the make believe media because they make up the news and then they make you believe it. But I don't think the make believe media get into that distinction that doctors understand that we're talking about removing an ectopic pregnancy, a premature baby, in order to save the life of a mother. When you are at that point, when you as a doctor are facing the imminent death right at the moment of I have to make a choice between these two patients. But their goal should be, and usually always is to save both lives and at least baby's lives. But that's not what we're all talking about anymore.

And also, since we're on the topic, the rape and incest the exceptions. That makes no sense to me because the child who is conceived in rape has unique DNA and has every right to be a human being just like you do. Why is the circumstance of that child's conception, why does that condemn him to death? I've never understood that. And same thing with incest. And yet, even though let's set aside rape, incest and the life of the mother, these three things which altogether combined make less than 2% of all abortions that we know of again, I'm basing it off of is the available knowledge that we have that these three categories rape, incest, and the life of the mother make up less than 2% of all the abortions. So we're talking about 98% of abortions are not for rape, incest or the life of the mother. Why don't we all get an agreement on those 98%? And if we can solve the 98% together and help that mother come alongside her, give her the support that she needs, whether it's financial, emotional, spiritual, whatever it needs, and let's help her get through that pregnancy and then offer maybe there's adoption services. I know that there are the little baby boxes where you can anonymously save your baby in a little baby box in a couple of states, turn your baby over. Let's help these the 98%, let's end the 98% of abortions. And I will bet you that the 2% kind of solved themselves.

Linda J. Hansen: I would agree. And those baby boxes, too many fire stations have them. There's many places where you can take like say you have a baby and you can take them there. It's a safe place. I just read a very moving any fire department, a very moving article about a firefighter who found the baby and decided to adopt the baby wife, decided to adopt the baby. It was so moving. But life matters. And one of the things that the abortion industry has done, in addition to the general media, the make believe media that you mentioned, but our culture has so devalued life, family, having parent, child relationships, women, everything. I mean, we see this so much right now. But AB 22, 23 in California, I want to touch on that because people are appalled when I tell them that there are laws in the United States that allow for, quote unquote, abortion to occur after the baby is born. And they do not believe me.

They say, well, that can't be. It's only what I'm like. Read the bill. And so I'd like you to address this because especially since Roe v. Wade was deemed unconstitutional in the Dobbs decision, many states know we have pro life states and pro abortion states now we have abortion tourist states and things like California and others. And so we look at this and people are appalled at the fact that you can just kill a baby that's infanticide. It is murder and it is somehow deemed something else. Just by using different words. And people don't understand that that is real. And so for us to really get our head around what the abortion mindset has done to our culture and to women and families and things, we have to understand that this has gone from, oh, an unplanned pregnancy to now you can kill the baby after birth. And I often ask people, well, if it's okay before birth, like when they come up with, oh, she's too poor, the father left her and stuff. I said, well, then why don't you kill all three year olds when the father leaves? Why don't you kill all ten year olds? Like, if it's such an inconvenience, they're.

Susan Swift: Dependent on us at least for 18 years, right? The 14 year old needs to go too, right?

Linda J. Hansen: So it's this progressive thought of devaluing life based on circumstance that has nothing.

Susan Swift: To do with the life.

Linda J. Hansen: Like you mentioned the conceived child through rape or incest. Typically in crimes, you punish the criminal, not an innocent victim. And when we do abortion for that, we are punishing an innocent victim.

Susan Swift: They're not interested in logic. They're interested in as many abortions as they can because they get money from it. That the abortion cartel is interested in the money.

Linda J. Hansen: They are interested in the money. And so I do want you to talk about this Assembly Bill 22 23 in California, and that law. But in addition to the money of abortion, that goes into the money of human trafficking, the money of harvesting organs, harvesting baby parts and I know that for listeners, I know this isn't my typical topic. I know that this might be hard to listen to, but when you think about people harvesting baby parts, getting millions and millions of dollars for human parts from these babies who are aborted because women are so pushed into abortion, being told this is the way to have a better life, when it's really not. So I'd like you to address those two things. I'm sure it'd be of interest. And then we want to make sure we provide more information for people at the end so they can learn more about the issue, learn more about how they can help women in crisis situations, but how we can also work to promote life in our laws and in our communities, in our businesses, things. But go ahead and talk about this law in California.

Susan Swift: It was sponsored by an assembly woman, Buffy Wicks, and it was signed into law last year in California. And what it says is that it strips the coroner's ability to investigate miscarriage, Duh, stillbirth Duh abortion and perinatal death due to causes that occur in utero. Okay, let's break that down. So now the coroner is the person who determines the cause of death. So they've excluded abortion because we all know what abortion is the killing of an unborn baby in the womb. Okay, so I understand the bill up to that point stillbirth miscarriage and abortion. But they added on another category, category number four, perinatal death. Well, perinatal death is the death of a baby born alive, just like prenatal is before birth, natal is birth. Prenatal before birth, perinatal is after birth. So a perinatal death is a death of a baby born alive due to causes that occurred in utero. Well, what does that mean? And this was something that I went up to Sacramento many times and argued vociferously about, saying, this is very broad, this doesn't make any sense, this is very vague. You can drive a mech truck through this.

What is a cause that occurred in utero? Well, certainly chemical abortions. What are chemical abortions? That's the abortion pill, mifopristone and misapprostal. A woman takes them these two pills about 24 to 48 hours apart, and what the first pill does, mifopristone is it interrupts and stops the progesterone, which is a naturally occurring pregnancy hormone that maintains the pregnancy and so that the baby continues getting nourishment and thrives. When you cut off progesterone, which is what mifoprystone does, the baby begins to starve to death, and two days later, 24 to 48 hours later, you take a second chemical misapprostal, which induces premature labor, strong uterine contractions, and then the woman delivers the dead or dying baby prematurely. Usually now it's thanks to the Biden administration's changing of the FDA rules, usually it's into her toilet at her apartment. That's what's happening, okay? It's gross, it's sick. And there is a lawsuit that has already gone through the fifth circuit. And I know it's going to be going up to the Supreme Court at some point to say, well, at what point can we rein in the FDA and say, the FDA, you never should have authorized the use of mifopristone in the first place. And that's going on and we're going to see what happens with it. But right now the state of affairs, as the case is kind of still pending. Women can get mifristone and misapprostal, take it at home and abort their babies, and the baby sometimes can be born alive. And we know of anecdotal stories. A woman 30 weeks along, she was given MIFA PRISTONE and Mr. Prostol, I think she was in the UK. She delivered a 30 week old baby boy who died four days later. So this happens. Okay, now, going back to AB, 22, 23 perinatal death due to causes that occurred in utero. And I can't investigate it. And furthermore so that certainly it seems it would cover chemical abortions. It also seems that it would cover any botched abortions, surgical abortions like suction abortions, or second trimester abortions, where they insert laminaria and they insert weapons of mass destruction tools and rip the baby apart. Well, sometimes this has happened.

Some people have testified on Capitol Hill, you'll see them, they have burns. All of the saline injection burns, and they've yet they've survived. There are abortion survivors. So. These are human beings that have survived the process of an abortion and they've testified live that, please, we're human beings, so we know that that happens. And yet this bill, AB 22, 23, which is now law, would cover that, covers that eventuality as well. Perinatal death due to causes that occur in utero. And that means that the state cannot investigate the cause of that baby's death. Well, here's the interesting thing. What if the baby is born alive and then dies on the table? Who's going to report the death? Nobody. I'll tell you why. Because further down in the bill, the bill makes it a crime. Basically, anyone who threatens to investigate, like, why did this baby die? Maybe like, I don't know, a first responder who comes in and we got a three week old baby dead there somehow anyone who threatens to investigate the cause of the perinatal death due to causes that occur in utero can be slapped with a $25,000 lawsuit plus attorneys fees and costs, so long as the mother we don't even say mother anymore. In California, it's the pregnant person. Talk about disrespecting women. So the pregnant person, so long as the pregnant person's preferred pregnancy outcome has been achieved. So if a woman has gone into her doula the abortionist or whomever or the lady next door, whatever she wants, she goes and she says, I don't want this baby. I want it to die. And somehow this baby is born perinatal birth, right? And then dies. There's no one to report it. This is going to be a cover up because, yes, in California law, that baby, once born, should be able to we have a California Born alive bill that guarantees that baby protection under the law. But practically speaking, who in the room is going to give that baby aid if the mother is there wanting an abortion, if the mother is there or whoever is assisting her? Because that mother and anyone who assists her has a cause of action against anyone who wants to investigate the cause of the death, like the coroner, the first responder, or the neighbor who comes up and said, well, this kid, why did this baby die? You say anything more, you can be slapped with a lawsuit for $25,000 and attorneys fees. So what this is is a giant cover up to prevent the reporting of numbers and to prevent people from knowing if this baby is born alive after a botched abortion, after a chemical abortion, or maybe, just maybe, because we don't know how this is going to happen.

Maybe the baby's born alive and then they allow it to starve to death over two or three or four days or a week or something. So no one can investigate the cause of that baby's death. And I'll tell you why. One last little factoid. The perinatal period of time that's already defined in California law. It starts at conception. Interestingly enough, the perinatal period at conception and continues through the first month of life, the first 28 days. So if the baby is under 28 days old, there's an argument to be made that says if that baby dies in the first 28 days and anyone who could have been there, the mother, anyone who assisted her, can point to some sort of cause that occurred in utero, whether it did or not. All they've got to do is invoke that and no one's going to want to try to investigate it because they're going to face prosecution for all kinds of fines and damages.

Linda J. Hansen: Isn't a cause that occurred in utero a pregnancy? Couldn't that be termed?

Susan Swift: And so down syndrome occurs in utero.

Linda J. Hansen: Right. A pregnancy occurs in utero, but the mother decides she doesn't want the baby.

Susan Swift: The active delivery occurs in you just giving birth. See, this is not defined. But the thing is, this is a blanket to make sure that no one, so long as the pregnant person, gets the preferred pregnancy outcome that she chooses, right. I didn't want this baby. Right? So she's changing her or maybe she's changing her mind in the middle of labor and she's got the baby and now we can just let that baby die. Well, that was a I mean, delivery itself is a cause that occurred in utero.

Linda J. Hansen: Heartbreaking.

Susan Swift: It is. And it prevents people, well meaning, good Christian people who want to say, well, wait a minute, there's something wrong here. This baby died. We need to investigate the cause of death. No, it strips away the coroner's duty to do so. And then it threatens anyone who asks questions, who investigates with a lawsuit. So no one is going to want to follow up in the first month of life if a baby dies. Well, I guess it was a cause that occurred in utero.

Linda J. Hansen: Well, and it also discourages the people with waiting arms and open hearts to adopt those babies. I mean, there's a lot of babies that are wanted.

Susan Swift: I think I read a statistic. There are 36 couples for every child, the unwanted child that's born. That's a whole lie. That there's no such thing as an unwanted child. There's 36 couples for every baby that is basically born as an unwanted child. So there's plenty of parents who will and there are many, many parents who will take the unwanted children. They're like down syndrome or people who have different disabilities. They are all wanted. That's another lie. So again, this goes back to the abortion industry because they control a lot of the legislators in California and they promote these type of bills to make sure to give them cover for mostly for, I believe, the chemical abortion industry, because that's big business. According to a gut mocker study, in 2020, it was 56% of all abortions in 2020 were the chemical abortions. These drugs, so they call them, by the way, they call them medication abortions, because that sounds so much nicer, doesn't it?

Linda J. Hansen: Right. Abortion is big business. And before we close, I do want to touch a little bit on businesses. As Roe was overturned, we've seen many businesses offering the benefit, quote unquote benefit of providing travel expenses and abortion expenses. This is something they're really shortcutting. They're claiming to want to help and provide services and benefits for their employees. But it's really a very unethical way of saving costs on serving employees and their families.

Susan Swift: It's a cost saving benefit because if I can just ship a woman to California I mean, you can even throw in tickets to Disneyland because we're an abortion destination. So you ship a woman to California and we have bills already here that pay for everything that they don't even have a copay, nothing. So they get everything covered. It is like a vacation, abortion vacation. Then you give her the two weeks or one week and then she comes back and you don't have to pay any maternity leave or paternity leave or any other costs that be associated with it. It's a cost saving measure for a lot of these companies, I believe. So I think they have a financial incentive to promote abortion.

Linda J. Hansen: Right. And I noticed Public Square, a new company that is part of the freedom economy, the patriot economy. They are now giving bonuses to any employee who has a child and so they are giving a birth bonus. They wanted to do something absolutely opposite to what the just think, wouldn't it.

Susan Swift: Be wonderful if or different I've gone through different tax cycles and things used to have a child tax credit. What if they boosted that to 3000 or $5,000 per child? What do you think that would do to the rate of abortion if a woman knew, oh, wow, I'm going to be getting $5,000 for each child. Right. But instead what we're doing is we're incentivizing them to stay in work. And it's almost impossible unless you have a two breadwinner family in the household to make ends meet. So it's all about the tax code controls everything. And I think we need to start talking about ways to incentivize families and ways to help families so that they don't actually need two incomes, so that mothers and fathers can raise children comfortably in their own home without scrambling and having to have so many different jobs. But again, that goes back to the goal of there's a tension between employers. Employers want as many laborers as they can get. And since, what, World War II, when women entered the workforce en masse, the employers went, oh, that's right. Now instead of 100,000 workers, I now can have 200,000 workers. And that affects wages. So there's a whole lot of economics in play, and I am no expert in the economics of it, but I do know that the tax code plays an important part. Why aren't we incentivizing people to have children? Why aren't we incentivizing families to raise children at home instead of farming them out to all day daycare and making it impossible for people to raise their own children. But that's a topic for politics.

Linda J. Hansen: That's a whole nother topic and we've talked about that in some other episodes about the goal cultural Marxism really desires to separate children from families, to create that division, to create division from races, to create division among parent-child, create division in classes was Hitler's Youth Project.

Susan Swift: That was the whole idea. Separate them and then raise them in their kind of in your own area so that they're loyal people for the state. That is what Cultural Marxism is all about. It's about separating us from our children. And that's why they're trying to confuse children with all of the gender ideology as well. Because if you can confuse them and think about it this way abortion, sadly this is a bit gruesome. Abortion ends the life of one child at a time. Gender mutilation ends an entire generation. That line you're gone, it does more gruesome because it is awful. Come back and say I regret this, I had an abortion, I was young, I made a mistake. And she can still at least attempt to have more children. But once you've physically altered the anatomy and the biology of a young woman or a young man for that man, you've sterilized them and that ends their lineage forever. That is permanent population control. And that's the next chapter in this very gruesome Cultural Marxism and population control that has been with us since probably the beginning.

Linda J. Hansen: Yes, and that's a whole another topic. Well, we need to close, but before we do, I want to let people know what you do with your new organization and how you can help people and what person should reach out to you and how can you help them or other people in their community.

Susan Swift: Well, I have founded an organization called Pro-Life Legal. So it's a pro-life legal professional corporation. It's on the web at WWW.ProLifelegal all one word, no Hyphens or anything prolifelegal.com or it'll all get there. And what it is, I believe it's the very first in the nation of its sort, which is a non-profit law firm that is dedicated exclusively to serving pro-life clinics, especially in California for right now because that's where I'm based. But eventually nationwide. All of these know they're very good people, a lot of them are church people and they say I've got to do something, I want to help. And so they find themselves maybe a nice young woman decides I'm going to open up a medical clinic to help pregnant women in crisis and all of a sudden you find yourself the executive director of a medical corporation in California. So you have to know all of the corporate compliance, you have to know all of the medical compliance that you're up against and you also have to know HR and employment law. And there's also a lot of turnover in a lot of these clinics.

So you'll come in and you're overwhelmed and you don't know literally, you don't know what you don't know. And so I have found, at least in my experience, and I have been at a prominent pro-life organization for three years, but what these organizations need, what these clinics need most of all, they need lawyers. It's great to have resources, it's great to have media out there like live-action, telling stories and making people change their mind. But these clinics, which are literally the boots on the ground in this pro-life battle that we are in, because it's a spiritual battle that we are in. And we have to keep these clinics open so that there is an alternative so that women can go somewhere else other than just Planned Parenthood or your abortion clinic on the corner. Well, what are those? Those are the pro-life clinics and they are ill-equipped in some cases because the executive director might not know, oh, well, I need this information. Maybe she doesn't know or he doesn't know at all. But they can't afford lawyers. So unless you want to donate to every clinic and donate, I don't know, 2000, $3,000 to every clinic so that the clinic can go out and hire a lawyer at the outset, at the beginning, or you can donate to a nonprofit law firm that can serve them all. And that's the business model. That's the idea behind pro-life legal, to equip all of these clinics to be a force multiplier in states like California and all of the other states that are very, very they're attacking these clinics in kind of the pro-abortion states and they need, the one thing they need that they can't buy is legal advice. So that's the mission of pro-life legal is to make sure that all of these clinics are compliant, that they understand what the laws are asking of them, so that they're a bit, in a way, to use Euphemism. Just bulletproof. So that the AGS can't come after them as easily so that they're not making mistakes that are something that can be fixed at the outset. We always need a lawyer at the end. When you've been sued by the AG or some crazy pro-abort activist is coming at you and alleging all, well, that's when you go trying to find a lawyer. But what about at the beginning, getting yourself set up so that your corporate compliance, your medical compliance and your hiring policies are in accordance with the state law, so that you are protected as going forward before you get sued? That's the business model of pro-life legal. You can go on the web, it is a nonprofit because again, these clinics can't afford it. I can't bill them out. What am I going to do? Act like a New York lawyer and say, well, it'll be $800 an hour, little lady. I can't do that because they can't afford it. They can't afford it. So if there's something that people want to do to help, to actually help these clinics, they can donate to Prolifelegal.com.

Linda J. Hansen: And that would be an important step. And so for individuals and business owners out there, it's important to support life. And it helps you, it helps your families, it helps your businesses, it helps your communities. The circle of life is beautiful. And when we help promote life and we encourage life and we encourage others by helping to meet their basic needs at different stages in their life at times of crisis and things, it creates such a better community and such a better nation. So for those of you listening, you can go to Prolifelegal.com and donate to Susan's organization and you can contact her. How should they contact you?

Susan Swift: Well, you can email me at susan@prolifelegal.com. Susan at pro. Life legal pretty simple.

Linda J. Hansen: That's perfect. Thank you so much, Susan. We appreciate it, appreciate all your work to help promote life and to help people in crisis situations and to help those who are helping others. So we just appreciate it. So listeners, please reach out to Susan@prolifelegal.com and do what you can to help promote and support life.

Susan Swift: Thank you, god bless you and God bless America.

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